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You're entitled to your optimistic view TyrReborn Send a noteboard - 05/08/2023 04:24:33 PM

And I'm entitled to my realistic one. Even before the Civil War we were not divided as we are now. We don't even believe in a God, much less in the same one, much less in common ethical boundaries. We're entirely unwilling to forgive those who have caused harm, just as we're entirely unwilling to ask for forgiveness when we cause harm.

There is nothing to bring us together after this war. No uniting point. We don't even desire to be "Americans" anymore, because being "American" is seen as bad these days. Because America is bad!

And we are. Mutilating children, describing the taking of children's lives as a "Sacred Duty" for our military, and labeling "cHrIsTiAn NaTiOnAlIsM" what was history but a decade ago. Letting migrants bake to death in tractor trailers, allowing sex trafficking to go unchecked, and holy shit all the drugs.

Do you know what the largest cause of death for my age group is now? Fentanyl. It's killing more people per year than the Civil War did. And you think we're in less danger as a nation?

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“Can you imagine our reading that James Madison or Thomas Jefferson tried to overthrow the gov't?" TyrReborn - 03/08/2023 09:02:48 PM 1878 Views
I'm curious as to your point in posting this. damookster - 04/08/2023 03:17:48 AM 778 Views
The point is that these uneducated dumbass race-baiters dare to lecture us TyrReborn - 04/08/2023 05:33:36 PM 675 Views
. . . The Shrike - 05/08/2023 02:14:20 PM 720 Views
You're entitled to your optimistic view TyrReborn - 05/08/2023 04:24:33 PM 709 Views
You only think your view is realistic because you haven't studied enough history. The Shrike - 06/08/2023 04:04:34 PM 747 Views
You're entitled to your optimistic view. *NM* TyrReborn - 06/08/2023 09:18:39 PM 321 Views
Not only is this statistically incorrect, it's historically incorrect. Ghavrel - 08/08/2023 11:35:42 PM 720 Views
Sigh, I understand that it's hard to grasp these days, with our medical miracles, TyrReborn - 14/08/2023 05:52:01 PM 711 Views
Disease is counted as part of wartime casualties. Ghavrel - 14/08/2023 08:17:53 PM 688 Views
And Covid killed 1000000 Americans lol TyrReborn - 14/08/2023 09:49:02 PM 735 Views
You didn't cherry pick anything. You just decided that the consensus of experts is incorrect. Ghavrel - 14/08/2023 11:37:05 PM 707 Views
Died of =/= died from, and died during =/= killed TyrReborn - 17/08/2023 04:58:08 PM 732 Views
I don't think so Tom - 07/08/2023 01:54:05 PM 720 Views
These facts would cause you to be denounced as a "putinite fascist"... TyrReborn - 07/08/2023 05:45:05 PM 690 Views
Well, of course it's going to pass Tom - 07/08/2023 06:55:12 PM 749 Views
Tom, you are being far too reasonable. That doesn’t fly in 2023! *NM* damookster - 08/08/2023 12:22:49 AM 327 Views
He is, which is why, I think, he is wrong. *NM* TyrReborn - 08/08/2023 10:18:32 PM 341 Views
I just can't buy that the political and academic class will give up their grip so easily. TyrReborn - 08/08/2023 05:49:58 PM 680 Views
Academics have been pro Marxism for over 100 years. It's nothing new. *NM* damookster - 08/08/2023 05:59:55 PM 336 Views
Maybe. But they've never been this spiteful or spoiled before. TyrReborn - 09/08/2023 01:29:30 PM 661 Views
No, they only recruited students to spy for the Soviets *NM* damookster - 14/08/2023 06:18:58 PM 313 Views
Yes. They do that now, too. Except it's the Chinese. *NM* TyrReborn - 14/08/2023 09:51:37 PM 326 Views
Do you have sources for that 'far more conservative and far more religious' claim? Legolas - 09/08/2023 07:35:50 PM 688 Views
In regards to more conservative, The Shrike - 09/08/2023 08:35:03 PM 727 Views
You see all this fury because a random dude on the internet calls a dude a dude TyrReborn - 17/08/2023 03:31:00 PM 676 Views
I side with Greg and Tom in this discussion. damookster - 08/08/2023 05:57:54 PM 692 Views
I don't suppose linking medical articles is going to help too much here, but... Ghavrel - 08/08/2023 11:28:05 PM 723 Views
Elizabeth, you know I have a non binary grandchild. damookster - 09/08/2023 01:22:32 AM 756 Views
Yeah, I know, I just think that the statistics are dangerous. Ghavrel - 09/08/2023 04:36:40 AM 673 Views
Respectfully, do you truly believe this? TyrReborn - 09/08/2023 05:42:31 PM 696 Views
I'll bite... Legolas - 09/08/2023 06:39:46 PM 688 Views
Thanks. <3 *NM* Ghavrel - 09/08/2023 08:27:13 PM 323 Views
Your thoughts AgentApple - 11/08/2023 04:14:37 PM 672 Views
Yes, that's true. Legolas - 11/08/2023 06:11:49 PM 714 Views
Re: Yes, that's true. AgentApple - 12/08/2023 04:25:28 PM 649 Views
The issue itself isn't necessarily - the way it's being used, however, is. Legolas - 14/08/2023 05:44:35 PM 668 Views
This is not bait, I am legitimately trying to understand. And if I understand correctly... TyrReborn - 11/08/2023 05:17:02 PM 775 Views
As I said, it wasn't intended as perfect analogy - it's about how much say should children have. Legolas - 11/08/2023 06:44:33 PM 705 Views
No, seriously, only the last one was intended as parody. And I'd like an explanation. TyrReborn - 14/08/2023 05:43:37 PM 673 Views
There aren't a lot of people committing suicide over their teeth coming in. Ghavrel - 14/08/2023 08:21:29 PM 685 Views
Indeed. TyrReborn - 14/08/2023 09:50:53 PM 653 Views
You aren't mentally ill because of your views. You're just an asshole. Ghavrel - 14/08/2023 11:35:13 PM 694 Views
Re: No, seriously, only the last one was intended as parody. And I'd like an explanation. Legolas - 15/08/2023 04:14:57 PM 713 Views
See, you're willing to discuss, instead of insult. Others on this board might take note. TyrReborn - 17/08/2023 05:18:39 PM 687 Views
Yeah, well, I have the luxury of an outsider's position... Legolas - 23/08/2023 11:47:24 PM 708 Views
Nobody is an outsider when reality is being attacked. TyrReborn - 25/08/2023 05:40:43 PM 673 Views
Fun facts Vodalus - 26/08/2023 06:22:57 AM 754 Views
There's some evidence that hormonal changes in utero are related to transgenderism. *NM* Ghavrel - 26/08/2023 11:26:21 PM 319 Views
Naturally occurring or iatrogenic? *NM* Vodalus - 26/08/2023 11:37:06 PM 335 Views
The studies are about naturally occuring variance, but that doesn't rule out other causes. *NM* Ghavrel - 28/08/2023 12:03:16 AM 349 Views
Not really "fun" so much as "a sad reality of biology", but yes. TyrReborn - 27/08/2023 09:42:14 PM 708 Views
Imagine if you had the same attitude towards trans people. Ghavrel - 28/08/2023 12:02:34 AM 672 Views
I may be no endocrinologist, but I at least understand simple biology. XY =/= XX =/= XXY TyrReborn - 28/08/2023 05:40:14 PM 646 Views
One can be an adult trans person and not support mutilation of children. *NM* damookster - 28/08/2023 07:49:32 PM 324 Views
Fair enough. I have some measure of respect for "Caitlyn" Jenner. You do you homie. *NM* TyrReborn - 29/08/2023 04:54:13 AM 315 Views
Simple is definitely true. Shame you never learned biology past what you were taught in high school. Ghavrel - 28/08/2023 11:21:38 PM 662 Views
Right, cause we're "butterflies" TyrReborn - 29/08/2023 04:57:20 AM 654 Views
I go to mass more than you. *NM* Ghavrel - 29/08/2023 09:58:09 AM 328 Views
Wow, really? And you still mutilated your body and told God that He was wrong about you? TyrReborn - 31/08/2023 05:44:32 PM 683 Views
I must say, The Shrike - 31/08/2023 07:04:47 PM 753 Views
Love is being true. Love is being honest. Love is God. TyrReborn - 31/08/2023 07:52:59 PM 675 Views
I appreciate that a great deal. Thank you. I think very highly of you, too. *NM* Ghavrel - 01/09/2023 04:44:58 AM 346 Views
Really went off the deep end there huh... Legolas - 31/08/2023 10:39:02 PM 656 Views
At least my beliefs can't be disproven by a $40 test at Wal-Mart. TyrReborn - 02/09/2023 03:40:43 PM 660 Views
It's ok. Many of us are quite sad for you too. The Shrike - 29/08/2023 11:10:32 AM 674 Views
I couldn't care less what unbelievers think. You'll meet the Truth, one day. TyrReborn - 31/08/2023 05:45:31 PM 648 Views
No such thing as damnation, but thanks. The Shrike - 31/08/2023 06:55:23 PM 678 Views
Then nothing more needs to be said. See who support your lies, Ghav? They literally deny Love. *NM* TyrReborn - 31/08/2023 07:54:23 PM 332 Views
He understands love a lot better than you do. *NM* Ghavrel - 01/09/2023 04:46:14 AM 325 Views
Hah! I knew you didn't worship God. Thanks for admitting it. *NM* TyrReborn - 02/09/2023 03:38:43 PM 342 Views
You're simply acting deranged at this point. Ghavrel - 03/09/2023 01:13:20 AM 728 Views
I hope you don't call yourselves Christian. TyrReborn - 03/09/2023 04:11:06 AM 620 Views
Of course I'm Christian. I confess the faith of the apostles and of the councils. Ghavrel - 03/09/2023 11:41:56 AM 665 Views
Would you castrate Michelangelo's David? TyrReborn - 03/09/2023 09:03:07 PM 641 Views
Dude, you have really driven this off the deep end. damookster - 03/09/2023 04:03:16 PM 654 Views
It is not, and I am not. TyrReborn - 03/09/2023 09:06:48 PM 678 Views
You absolutely are damookster - 03/09/2023 09:27:00 PM 670 Views
Caution is not condemnation. Warning is not judgment. TyrReborn - 03/09/2023 11:05:17 PM 656 Views
Bro, I'm not worried about your immortal soul. damookster - 03/09/2023 11:35:41 PM 681 Views
I get that. But Ghav, supposedly, is. TyrReborn - 04/09/2023 12:09:55 AM 667 Views
You’ve expressed some pretty odious and ugly sentiments. Vodalus - 03/09/2023 10:07:51 PM 655 Views
Yeah, I'm definitely an outsider, and so are you. Legolas - 28/08/2023 07:49:48 PM 657 Views
Ok. TyrReborn - 29/08/2023 05:09:14 AM 659 Views
Schizophrenics suffer violent crime at 14x rate. Is America "schizophobic"? TyrReborn - 01/09/2023 05:01:18 PM 669 Views
I'll chew... entyti - 11/08/2023 10:35:45 PM 709 Views
What's your stance on parents who refuse medical treatment for their children with cancer? Ghavrel - 11/08/2023 11:12:21 PM 701 Views
I think... entyti - 11/08/2023 11:37:52 PM 687 Views
Really? damookster - 12/08/2023 12:02:12 AM 667 Views
Am I being unreasonable? entyti - 12/08/2023 05:16:06 AM 719 Views
Maybe not damookster - 12/08/2023 03:38:50 PM 715 Views
Most of us don't really like "the gays," either. And referring to people as "blacks" is offensive. *NM* Ghavrel - 13/08/2023 12:34:32 AM 313 Views
... is referring to people as "whites" offensive? I really, really hope you say yes. *NM* TyrReborn - 14/08/2023 05:46:07 PM 366 Views
Unfortunately for whites, gays, blacks, and transgenders... entyti - 14/08/2023 06:09:47 PM 656 Views
Their voice only counts *NM* damookster - 14/08/2023 06:20:32 PM 308 Views
Touché *NM* entyti - 14/08/2023 07:12:54 PM 304 Views
You can always choose not to be a dick online. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/08/2023 08:19:52 PM 285 Views
Now why would I want to do that? entyti - 14/08/2023 11:24:09 PM 651 Views
You're not a dick. You're honest. TyrReborn - 14/08/2023 09:54:34 PM 662 Views
Why not both? entyti - 15/08/2023 03:01:58 AM 718 Views
Sad, but true. TyrReborn - 17/08/2023 05:22:11 PM 675 Views
Re: I think... Ghavrel - 13/08/2023 12:35:05 AM 677 Views
Re: I'll chew... Legolas - 12/08/2023 03:49:47 PM 707 Views
Re: I'll chew... entyti - 14/08/2023 10:56:15 PM 664 Views
Re: I'll chew... Legolas - 15/08/2023 11:32:12 PM 700 Views
3 weeks later, did you have fun with this thread Tyr? *NM* Roland00 - 28/08/2023 08:16:13 PM 328 Views
We went a bit afield, sure, but hey, the board has a discussion going, doesn't it? *NM* TyrReborn - 29/08/2023 05:00:03 AM 298 Views
Well take care Roland00 - 31/08/2023 11:06:43 PM 750 Views
Same to you. TyrReborn - 03/09/2023 04:20:19 AM 667 Views
Seeing things as beautiful or rotting Roland00 - 03/09/2023 05:21:50 PM 681 Views
I could not disagree more. TyrReborn - 03/09/2023 09:13:31 PM 681 Views
See this is about you Roland00 - 03/09/2023 11:22:53 PM 682 Views
No, it's about God. TyrReborn - 03/09/2023 11:28:55 PM 657 Views
How much history do you know about Samaritans? Roland00 - 03/09/2023 11:39:54 PM 652 Views
Friend, you can cut the shit. TyrReborn - 04/09/2023 12:19:56 AM 700 Views
I was going to talk about Mount Gerizim you nitwit Roland00 - 04/09/2023 01:36:16 AM 668 Views
Oh, my apologies then. TyrReborn - 04/09/2023 07:46:57 PM 688 Views
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