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Understanding with Madness and all that stuff Roland00 Send a noteboard - 28/05/2022 12:50:35 AM

I guess I would chalk that up to the fog of war and collateral damage which is still the fault of the perpetrator, but I’d really be lying if I said that your scenario really didn’t give me pause, and it would be increasingly cold comfort to me if it was my child that had been killed by someone who had possed up. Then again, what else can you do, wait outside and listen to your kids die?

It is literally madness and in such a situation I do not think we can "pre-write" a priori what we would do in such a situation. We just need to be humans and have grace and understand in such a hell remember this too is human and do what we must and hopefully we will support each other in this hell.


I suppose my issue is the timing and the will - you can’t leave kids like that with someone who has shown he’ll murder them. Something absolutely must be done, it is totally and wholly unacceptable to have cops waiting outside while the killer finishes off victims. At a certain point drastic action should take place.

Yes. To my understanding this is considered the best practices of how cops are trained right now. Now how these specific cops were trained, and did they follow their training, etc, etc. I am purposefully drifting off here for we do not know at this time.


Fuck, if it was my kid I’d volunteer to go in with a hunting knife or my bare hands - or, failing that, I’ll distract him while the cops shoot him. If I die saving a bunch of kids, I think I’m okay with that. Then again it’s all academic at this point and as you rightly pointed out, much easier to say when you’re not facing that situation.

Heads should roll for this one way or the other.


If the internet is to be believed, people who were at the actual site of the Uvalde school actually suggested stuff like that. Who knows if this actually occurred. I am not watching the videos writting down notes for there is only so much of hell I can take with my raw exposed nerves.

I will not still like either man but it would be a wonderful thing for my Governor Abbott, or President Biden to pay money / workers and do an actual investigation of what happened. I do not expect this to happen, I hope to be surprised. Government may be limited but investigations is one of its jobs, not just providing peace and something that is like justice.

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If no one else wants to open this can of worms, I guess I’ll have to do it damookster - 26/05/2022 02:07:18 AM 1352 Views
Unfortunately, there's not much to say. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 04:26:10 PM 573 Views
You are not going to get a non emotional discussion about guns, it will never ever be rational Roland00 - 26/05/2022 08:04:55 PM 535 Views
Re: You are not going to get a non emotional discussion about guns, it will never ever be rational Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 08:36:34 PM 574 Views
There are so many (partial)-solutions and no single one is going to solve it. Roland00 - 26/05/2022 09:03:10 PM 537 Views
Unfortunately every time there is a mass shooting, gun sales spike. damookster - 26/05/2022 09:26:09 PM 588 Views
Yes Roland00 - 26/05/2022 09:55:14 PM 539 Views
Re: There are so many (partial)-solutions and no single one is going to solve it. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 09:56:23 PM 539 Views
You understand two things can both be true, right? damookster - 26/05/2022 10:19:56 PM 517 Views
In such a way Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 10:27:52 PM 540 Views
What Mookie said, Sense and Sensibility with Perspective Roland00 - 26/05/2022 10:29:04 PM 533 Views
Oh yes, everyone is to blame, and hence no one fionwe1987 - 26/05/2022 04:58:37 PM 555 Views
You obviously don't know anything about Canada's gun laws. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 05:20:25 PM 581 Views
Remarkable fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 03:55:54 AM 542 Views
4% PAL acquisition is, in essence, a ban. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 04:13:45 AM 534 Views
Well, that was a load of chickenshit fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 05:08:29 AM 543 Views
He said, running away. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 11:34:19 AM 510 Views
He said, running away. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 11:34:20 AM 515 Views
You are the RAFO poster child for inability to hold a rational discussion that includes disagreement damookster - 26/05/2022 06:50:11 PM 575 Views
No, we're just disagreeing on what is rational, that is all... fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 03:42:23 AM 542 Views
You just don’t get it. damookster - 27/05/2022 04:22:55 AM 576 Views
I think the same of you... fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 05:05:43 AM 555 Views
Article VI, Clause II damookster - 27/05/2022 05:17:40 AM 543 Views
You're like a broken record. fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 05:23:52 AM 538 Views
Bro you literally come from a country that plays nuclear chicken with Pakistan. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 11:40:07 AM 570 Views
And? fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 02:24:09 PM 545 Views
Lol Parody account confirmed. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 04:04:56 PM 577 Views
Your repertoire of insults needs expansion. Keep trying. fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 04:27:35 PM 509 Views
He said, not coming up with any retort of his own. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 09:58:30 PM 543 Views
whooops *NM* Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 09:58:03 PM 283 Views
Oh, fuck off. TyrReborn - 27/05/2022 06:21:45 PM 564 Views
Why is liking the Constitution a binary thing? Roland00 - 27/05/2022 08:36:12 PM 526 Views
As you point out, it isn’t binary at all. damookster - 27/05/2022 09:16:18 PM 538 Views
*NM* Roland00 - 27/05/2022 09:55:28 PM 281 Views
Loyalty is to God, Family, Community, and only then State. TyrReborn - 27/05/2022 09:55:58 PM 544 Views
The founding fathers have a dream, where dreams start and reality begin Roland00 - 27/05/2022 11:39:07 PM 554 Views
This is wonderfully meandering and thought-provoking, but woefully insubstantial for understanding. *NM* TyrReborn - 28/05/2022 12:10:04 AM 285 Views
It is not fionwe1987 - 28/05/2022 07:19:32 AM 530 Views
Re: Oh, fuck off. fionwe1987 - 28/05/2022 06:53:38 AM 555 Views
That's a lot of words to say absolutely nothing. TyrReborn - 28/05/2022 06:56:05 PM 555 Views
When you shut your eyes, of course you can only see nothing fionwe1987 - 28/05/2022 09:43:13 PM 553 Views
A dead child for freedom is the choice made every abortion. TyrReborn - 30/05/2022 08:16:18 PM 523 Views
Oh really? Then explain to me... fionwe1987 - 31/05/2022 08:41:09 PM 560 Views
That baby isn't a baby, but that man is a woman TyrReborn - 01/06/2022 01:57:40 AM 542 Views
How would the world be different Roland00 - 26/05/2022 07:03:22 PM 548 Views
Yes and if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle damookster - 26/05/2022 07:14:08 PM 575 Views
I do not believe the original thread was made with curiosity or charity in mind. Roland00 - 26/05/2022 07:24:20 PM 528 Views
Well isn’t this the pot calling the kettle black. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 07:33:12 PM 544 Views
Well it is about respectability politics you see Roland00 - 26/05/2022 07:38:59 PM 550 Views
You're one of those men. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 08:27:53 PM 557 Views
Hypocrisy Roland00 - 26/05/2022 08:42:17 PM 522 Views
I don't know whether English is your first language Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 10:00:04 PM 535 Views
Your attempt at mind reading is an abject failure. damookster - 26/05/2022 07:58:07 PM 526 Views
You started with Foreclosure Roland00 - 26/05/2022 08:08:36 PM 513 Views
Foreclosure, huh damookster - 26/05/2022 08:48:50 PM 530 Views
My advice is listen to the podcast I linked Dragonsoul *NM* Roland00 - 26/05/2022 09:05:13 PM 249 Views
One more thing Roland00 - 26/05/2022 07:25:22 PM 543 Views
And I guess this post proves my point, lol. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 07:34:48 PM 538 Views
Did I trigger you? damookster - 26/05/2022 07:50:02 PM 489 Views
You screaming get off my lawn is inherently causes an urge to egg your house *NM* Roland00 - 26/05/2022 08:05:48 PM 269 Views
~soaks Roland with the jet nozzle as I hose the egg off my front porch~ *NM* damookster - 26/05/2022 08:50:22 PM 260 Views
Never owned a gun, but I support gun rights. But... TyrReborn - 27/05/2022 02:51:26 AM 544 Views
I pretty much agree. damookster - 27/05/2022 03:18:38 AM 562 Views
Yep, what Tyr said *NM* Roland00 - 27/05/2022 03:27:33 AM 260 Views
The NY Yankees are now tweeting about guns. Roland00 - 27/05/2022 03:26:45 AM 502 Views
Bah damookster - 27/05/2022 04:25:25 AM 533 Views
Baseball twitter is bad Roland00 - 27/05/2022 04:29:15 AM 498 Views
UPDATE on the shooter, Salvador Ramos damookster - 27/05/2022 03:27:59 PM 575 Views
Can't be more of a disgrace than waiting an hour to go in and kill him. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 04:05:58 PM 485 Views
Re: Can't be more of a disgrace than waiting an hour to go in and kill him. damookster - 27/05/2022 04:15:22 PM 556 Views
I disagree. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 10:02:23 PM 517 Views
And if one of the fathers went in and accidentally killed another child and not the shooter? Roland00 - 27/05/2022 11:46:17 PM 530 Views
Thats a good point, and something I didn’t consider when I wrote my response. Dragonsoul - 28/05/2022 12:08:48 AM 510 Views
Understanding with Madness and all that stuff Roland00 - 28/05/2022 12:50:35 AM 536 Views
It's funny how the left thinks only cops should have guns, but also ACAB. TyrReborn - 27/05/2022 06:15:23 PM 529 Views
They already lost their balls. damookster - 27/05/2022 06:52:52 PM 556 Views
I am glad you protect your family Roland00 - 27/05/2022 08:46:05 PM 518 Views
But see, this is why the death of community and religion is bad for America. TyrReborn - 27/05/2022 10:12:49 PM 518 Views
Charles Whitman took his rifles to the tower at UT Austin in 1966 and killed 14 random people. damookster - 27/05/2022 10:21:42 PM 553 Views
And in May 1928, a maniac bombed a school in Michigan, killing 44. TyrReborn - 27/05/2022 11:46:34 PM 539 Views
I think the presence of visual imagery provides a mimetic response Roland00 - 27/05/2022 11:52:32 PM 548 Views
Reasonable, but even then, that's merely another condemnation for the modern world. TyrReborn - 28/05/2022 12:06:30 AM 523 Views
I agree Roland00 - 28/05/2022 12:56:10 AM 526 Views
I haven't said "bAn GuNs!1" Roland00 - 27/05/2022 11:33:43 PM 542 Views
This is taken from the late Justice Scalia’s majority opinion in 2008’s DC vs. Heller damookster - 27/05/2022 11:50:40 PM 563 Views
Please do not relitigate Heller with me Roland00 - 27/05/2022 11:59:21 PM 536 Views
I wasn’t and will not. damookster - 28/05/2022 01:01:59 AM 522 Views
We would scare them off that is what Roland00 - 28/05/2022 01:43:11 AM 516 Views
You chose wisely damookster - 28/05/2022 02:59:47 AM 523 Views
You did not. My apologies. TyrReborn - 28/05/2022 12:03:43 AM 518 Views
Why not 'harden' all schools and kindergartens with armed guards ? AgentApple - 30/05/2022 03:40:06 PM 520 Views
You're completely right and I hate it. TyrReborn - 30/05/2022 08:24:29 PM 499 Views
Another podcast I enjoyed Roland00 - 27/05/2022 08:26:56 PM 524 Views
This thread is reminiscint of the classic Wotmania debates from the aughts. damookster - 29/05/2022 12:22:47 AM 571 Views
Nobody would like my idea, but personally, I think Korea's 2 year mandatory service would do us good TyrReborn - 30/05/2022 08:30:37 PM 518 Views
Yep there is zero chance that will happen. Roland00 - 31/05/2022 10:32:06 PM 567 Views
Interesting damookster - 31/05/2022 10:56:53 PM 540 Views
Re: Yep there is zero chance that will happen. TyrReborn - 01/06/2022 01:50:37 AM 523 Views
Believe it or not I am not always a Grump Roland00 - 01/06/2022 03:38:16 AM 527 Views
Hot damn, Moolin Rouge was fantastic! *NM* entyti - 01/06/2022 09:36:04 PM 525 Views
What about trans-men entyti - 31/05/2022 10:07:21 PM 554 Views
an intriguing question damookster - 31/05/2022 10:34:39 PM 553 Views
It's all tongue-in-cheek, and isn't that dumb? TyrReborn - 01/06/2022 02:01:04 AM 533 Views
Can the 21 year olds Roland00 - 01/06/2022 03:44:08 AM 537 Views
You know, fair enough. If they're old enough to smoke, and they have a doctor that'll rx it, sure. *NM* TyrReborn - 01/06/2022 03:59:17 AM 270 Views
Something tells me this won't factor in anyone's favor... entyti - 01/06/2022 09:08:31 PM 561 Views
Wait, the *late* conservative Justice Alito? fionwe1987 - 01/06/2022 03:56:19 PM 547 Views
my bad damookster - 01/06/2022 05:09:22 PM 530 Views
The Uvalde Police Department and the Uvalde Independent School District police force are no longer Roland00 - 31/05/2022 11:45:32 PM 579 Views
The Uvalde police incompetence is totally indistinguishable from a cover-up at this point Roland00 - 04/06/2022 07:50:04 PM 585 Views
Until the existing gun laws are actually enforced, I am not willing to entertain any new ones HyogaRott - 09/06/2022 09:55:41 PM 574 Views
Oh yeah, and I am sick of the hyperbolic gaslighting by both sides HyogaRott - 09/06/2022 10:02:25 PM 582 Views
Anarchy, the State, and UTOPIA ! Roland00 - 10/06/2022 08:25:05 PM 532 Views
It gets darker and darker Roland00 - 22/06/2022 02:10:08 AM 533 Views
It's so bad dude. So bad. Those poor souls... *NM* TyrReborn - 30/06/2022 05:04:56 PM 253 Views
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