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Please do not relitigate Heller with me Roland00 Send a noteboard - 27/05/2022 11:59:21 PM

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“Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited. The sorts of weapons protected were those ‘in common use at the time.’ We think that limitation is fairly supported by the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of ‘dangerous and unusual weapons.’ ”

Common sense gun restrictions do not violate the Second Amendment, as stated above in the opinion that also stated bearing arms was an individual right. Reluctance is all that prevents such restrictions from being enacted.


Since we can very much disagree with it on two dozen different ways and it was not the best example of the Supreme Court being historical and methodical.

Likewise as for the actual details of the case whether you can ban handguns as arms. Or require guns to have a trigger lock is kind of the thing we are arguing what is common sense and not. 5 of the SC justices said yes this is common sense and we can argue it again and again and it is a circular argument. (It is also what started this argument yesterday) And thus I am moving on

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But even if we agree with Heller (moving on) I do agree with you on the meta point you are making. But what is sensical is once again seems obvious on the surface but once we start talking people realize we may disagree, or even if we agree will the individual States or the US House and Senate actually do the right thing?

gestures at my Texas with all my faith

My mad governor says Mental Health will solve all this yet he will not expand Medicaid and actually cut Mental Health this year, meanwhile he is doing gun expansions. shrug

Maybe? The present is never eternal, it too will change.

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If no one else wants to open this can of worms, I guess I’ll have to do it damookster - 26/05/2022 02:07:18 AM 970 Views
Unfortunately, there's not much to say. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 04:26:10 PM 266 Views
You are not going to get a non emotional discussion about guns, it will never ever be rational Roland00 - 26/05/2022 08:04:55 PM 227 Views
Re: You are not going to get a non emotional discussion about guns, it will never ever be rational Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 08:36:34 PM 250 Views
There are so many (partial)-solutions and no single one is going to solve it. Roland00 - 26/05/2022 09:03:10 PM 223 Views
Unfortunately every time there is a mass shooting, gun sales spike. damookster - 26/05/2022 09:26:09 PM 272 Views
Yes Roland00 - 26/05/2022 09:55:14 PM 226 Views
Re: There are so many (partial)-solutions and no single one is going to solve it. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 09:56:23 PM 237 Views
You understand two things can both be true, right? damookster - 26/05/2022 10:19:56 PM 240 Views
In such a way Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 10:27:52 PM 229 Views
What Mookie said, Sense and Sensibility with Perspective Roland00 - 26/05/2022 10:29:04 PM 214 Views
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You obviously don't know anything about Canada's gun laws. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 05:20:25 PM 268 Views
Remarkable fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 03:55:54 AM 234 Views
4% PAL acquisition is, in essence, a ban. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 04:13:45 AM 227 Views
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He said, running away. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 11:34:19 AM 232 Views
He said, running away. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 11:34:20 AM 215 Views
You are the RAFO poster child for inability to hold a rational discussion that includes disagreement damookster - 26/05/2022 06:50:11 PM 252 Views
No, we're just disagreeing on what is rational, that is all... fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 03:42:23 AM 232 Views
You just don’t get it. damookster - 27/05/2022 04:22:55 AM 266 Views
I think the same of you... fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 05:05:43 AM 240 Views
Article VI, Clause II damookster - 27/05/2022 05:17:40 AM 235 Views
You're like a broken record. fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 05:23:52 AM 233 Views
Bro you literally come from a country that plays nuclear chicken with Pakistan. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 11:40:07 AM 238 Views
And? fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 02:24:09 PM 236 Views
Lol Parody account confirmed. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 04:04:56 PM 261 Views
Your repertoire of insults needs expansion. Keep trying. fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 04:27:35 PM 215 Views
He said, not coming up with any retort of his own. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 09:58:30 PM 220 Views
whooops *NM* Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 09:58:03 PM 151 Views
Oh, fuck off. TyrReborn - 27/05/2022 06:21:45 PM 244 Views
Why is liking the Constitution a binary thing? Roland00 - 27/05/2022 08:36:12 PM 220 Views
As you point out, it isn’t binary at all. damookster - 27/05/2022 09:16:18 PM 253 Views
*NM* Roland00 - 27/05/2022 09:55:28 PM 153 Views
Loyalty is to God, Family, Community, and only then State. TyrReborn - 27/05/2022 09:55:58 PM 230 Views
The founding fathers have a dream, where dreams start and reality begin Roland00 - 27/05/2022 11:39:07 PM 226 Views
This is wonderfully meandering and thought-provoking, but woefully insubstantial for understanding. *NM* TyrReborn - 28/05/2022 12:10:04 AM 151 Views
It is not fionwe1987 - 28/05/2022 07:19:32 AM 221 Views
Re: Oh, fuck off. fionwe1987 - 28/05/2022 06:53:38 AM 233 Views
That's a lot of words to say absolutely nothing. TyrReborn - 28/05/2022 06:56:05 PM 232 Views
When you shut your eyes, of course you can only see nothing fionwe1987 - 28/05/2022 09:43:13 PM 225 Views
A dead child for freedom is the choice made every abortion. TyrReborn - 30/05/2022 08:16:18 PM 227 Views
Oh really? Then explain to me... fionwe1987 - 31/05/2022 08:41:09 PM 252 Views
That baby isn't a baby, but that man is a woman TyrReborn - 01/06/2022 01:57:40 AM 226 Views
How would the world be different Roland00 - 26/05/2022 07:03:22 PM 230 Views
Yes and if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle damookster - 26/05/2022 07:14:08 PM 207 Views
I do not believe the original thread was made with curiosity or charity in mind. Roland00 - 26/05/2022 07:24:20 PM 209 Views
Well isn’t this the pot calling the kettle black. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 07:33:12 PM 212 Views
Well it is about respectability politics you see Roland00 - 26/05/2022 07:38:59 PM 232 Views
You're one of those men. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 08:27:53 PM 234 Views
Hypocrisy Roland00 - 26/05/2022 08:42:17 PM 196 Views
I don't know whether English is your first language Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 10:00:04 PM 219 Views
Your attempt at mind reading is an abject failure. damookster - 26/05/2022 07:58:07 PM 210 Views
You started with Foreclosure Roland00 - 26/05/2022 08:08:36 PM 202 Views
Foreclosure, huh damookster - 26/05/2022 08:48:50 PM 215 Views
My advice is listen to the podcast I linked Dragonsoul *NM* Roland00 - 26/05/2022 09:05:13 PM 118 Views
One more thing Roland00 - 26/05/2022 07:25:22 PM 229 Views
And I guess this post proves my point, lol. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 07:34:48 PM 217 Views
Did I trigger you? damookster - 26/05/2022 07:50:02 PM 193 Views
You screaming get off my lawn is inherently causes an urge to egg your house *NM* Roland00 - 26/05/2022 08:05:48 PM 120 Views
~soaks Roland with the jet nozzle as I hose the egg off my front porch~ *NM* damookster - 26/05/2022 08:50:22 PM 128 Views
Never owned a gun, but I support gun rights. But... TyrReborn - 27/05/2022 02:51:26 AM 231 Views
I pretty much agree. damookster - 27/05/2022 03:18:38 AM 236 Views
Yep, what Tyr said *NM* Roland00 - 27/05/2022 03:27:33 AM 119 Views
The NY Yankees are now tweeting about guns. Roland00 - 27/05/2022 03:26:45 AM 200 Views
Bah damookster - 27/05/2022 04:25:25 AM 212 Views
Baseball twitter is bad Roland00 - 27/05/2022 04:29:15 AM 198 Views
UPDATE on the shooter, Salvador Ramos damookster - 27/05/2022 03:27:59 PM 242 Views
Can't be more of a disgrace than waiting an hour to go in and kill him. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 04:05:58 PM 213 Views
Re: Can't be more of a disgrace than waiting an hour to go in and kill him. damookster - 27/05/2022 04:15:22 PM 221 Views
I disagree. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 10:02:23 PM 208 Views
And if one of the fathers went in and accidentally killed another child and not the shooter? Roland00 - 27/05/2022 11:46:17 PM 202 Views
Thats a good point, and something I didn’t consider when I wrote my response. Dragonsoul - 28/05/2022 12:08:48 AM 201 Views
Understanding with Madness and all that stuff Roland00 - 28/05/2022 12:50:35 AM 219 Views
It's funny how the left thinks only cops should have guns, but also ACAB. TyrReborn - 27/05/2022 06:15:23 PM 211 Views
They already lost their balls. damookster - 27/05/2022 06:52:52 PM 223 Views
I am glad you protect your family Roland00 - 27/05/2022 08:46:05 PM 199 Views
But see, this is why the death of community and religion is bad for America. TyrReborn - 27/05/2022 10:12:49 PM 212 Views
Charles Whitman took his rifles to the tower at UT Austin in 1966 and killed 14 random people. damookster - 27/05/2022 10:21:42 PM 219 Views
And in May 1928, a maniac bombed a school in Michigan, killing 44. TyrReborn - 27/05/2022 11:46:34 PM 207 Views
I think the presence of visual imagery provides a mimetic response Roland00 - 27/05/2022 11:52:32 PM 219 Views
Reasonable, but even then, that's merely another condemnation for the modern world. TyrReborn - 28/05/2022 12:06:30 AM 208 Views
I agree Roland00 - 28/05/2022 12:56:10 AM 203 Views
I haven't said "bAn GuNs!1" Roland00 - 27/05/2022 11:33:43 PM 225 Views
This is taken from the late Justice Scalia’s majority opinion in 2008’s DC vs. Heller damookster - 27/05/2022 11:50:40 PM 226 Views
Please do not relitigate Heller with me Roland00 - 27/05/2022 11:59:21 PM 225 Views
I wasn’t and will not. damookster - 28/05/2022 01:01:59 AM 206 Views
We would scare them off that is what Roland00 - 28/05/2022 01:43:11 AM 205 Views
You chose wisely damookster - 28/05/2022 02:59:47 AM 219 Views
You did not. My apologies. TyrReborn - 28/05/2022 12:03:43 AM 212 Views
Why not 'harden' all schools and kindergartens with armed guards ? AgentApple - 30/05/2022 03:40:06 PM 207 Views
You're completely right and I hate it. TyrReborn - 30/05/2022 08:24:29 PM 185 Views
Another podcast I enjoyed Roland00 - 27/05/2022 08:26:56 PM 223 Views
This thread is reminiscint of the classic Wotmania debates from the aughts. damookster - 29/05/2022 12:22:47 AM 239 Views
Nobody would like my idea, but personally, I think Korea's 2 year mandatory service would do us good TyrReborn - 30/05/2022 08:30:37 PM 195 Views
Yep there is zero chance that will happen. Roland00 - 31/05/2022 10:32:06 PM 228 Views
Interesting damookster - 31/05/2022 10:56:53 PM 222 Views
Re: Yep there is zero chance that will happen. TyrReborn - 01/06/2022 01:50:37 AM 208 Views
Believe it or not I am not always a Grump Roland00 - 01/06/2022 03:38:16 AM 216 Views
Hot damn, Moolin Rouge was fantastic! *NM* entyti - 01/06/2022 09:36:04 PM 211 Views
What about trans-men entyti - 31/05/2022 10:07:21 PM 225 Views
an intriguing question damookster - 31/05/2022 10:34:39 PM 227 Views
It's all tongue-in-cheek, and isn't that dumb? TyrReborn - 01/06/2022 02:01:04 AM 214 Views
Can the 21 year olds Roland00 - 01/06/2022 03:44:08 AM 223 Views
You know, fair enough. If they're old enough to smoke, and they have a doctor that'll rx it, sure. *NM* TyrReborn - 01/06/2022 03:59:17 AM 124 Views
Something tells me this won't factor in anyone's favor... entyti - 01/06/2022 09:08:31 PM 235 Views
Wait, the *late* conservative Justice Alito? fionwe1987 - 01/06/2022 03:56:19 PM 230 Views
my bad damookster - 01/06/2022 05:09:22 PM 214 Views
The Uvalde Police Department and the Uvalde Independent School District police force are no longer Roland00 - 31/05/2022 11:45:32 PM 251 Views
The Uvalde police incompetence is totally indistinguishable from a cover-up at this point Roland00 - 04/06/2022 07:50:04 PM 250 Views
Until the existing gun laws are actually enforced, I am not willing to entertain any new ones HyogaRott - 09/06/2022 09:55:41 PM 260 Views
Oh yeah, and I am sick of the hyperbolic gaslighting by both sides HyogaRott - 09/06/2022 10:02:25 PM 257 Views
Anarchy, the State, and UTOPIA ! Roland00 - 10/06/2022 08:25:05 PM 219 Views
It gets darker and darker Roland00 - 22/06/2022 02:10:08 AM 213 Views
It's so bad dude. So bad. Those poor souls... *NM* TyrReborn - 30/06/2022 05:04:56 PM 117 Views
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