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4% PAL acquisition is, in essence, a ban. Dragonsoul Send a noteboard - 27/05/2022 04:13:45 AM

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You go through an entire breakdown of something that isn't a ban, explain how it isn't a ban, and yet land on the opposite position.

I have no idea why you expect me to shed tears about the difficulty of procuring or storing a gun. It should absolutely be damn hard.

We make plenty of things hard. Becoming a doctor is hard. Becoming a lawyer is hard. Getting to fly a plane is hard.

We gatekeep a lot of things in society, when there is rational interest at doing so. You may disagree that gun violence warrants such restrictions. But that doesn't mean these laws equal a ban.


When you couple that with the restrictions of actual use, it is a ban for all intents and purposes. The gun can only be used in one location, and you sacrifice your right to privacy (in addition to warrant less search) in your home or vehicle just to own one. You cannot even realistically use the weapon for defense (its most practical purpose) because by the time you manage to unlock the gun, unlock the ammunition, and load the gun, the criminal (who has an AR-15 or other banned gun because he doesn’t care about gun laws) has already killed you.

It’s a ban, in all but name. Which, of course, you know.

Which will never happen in America because firearm ownership is protected by the Constitution. Which you also know.

Again, you either know nothing about the laws in Canada (saying that America could follow such a system) or you do know and instead are advocating a ban in all but name (which can never happen).

Like I said, either way you’re wrong.

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If no one else wants to open this can of worms, I guess I’ll have to do it damookster - 26/05/2022 02:07:18 AM 970 Views
Unfortunately, there's not much to say. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 04:26:10 PM 267 Views
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4% PAL acquisition is, in essence, a ban. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 04:13:45 AM 228 Views
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You screaming get off my lawn is inherently causes an urge to egg your house *NM* Roland00 - 26/05/2022 08:05:48 PM 120 Views
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Bah damookster - 27/05/2022 04:25:25 AM 214 Views
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What about trans-men entyti - 31/05/2022 10:07:21 PM 225 Views
an intriguing question damookster - 31/05/2022 10:34:39 PM 227 Views
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Can the 21 year olds Roland00 - 01/06/2022 03:44:08 AM 223 Views
You know, fair enough. If they're old enough to smoke, and they have a doctor that'll rx it, sure. *NM* TyrReborn - 01/06/2022 03:59:17 AM 124 Views
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Wait, the *late* conservative Justice Alito? fionwe1987 - 01/06/2022 03:56:19 PM 231 Views
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Oh yeah, and I am sick of the hyperbolic gaslighting by both sides HyogaRott - 09/06/2022 10:02:25 PM 257 Views
Anarchy, the State, and UTOPIA ! Roland00 - 10/06/2022 08:25:05 PM 221 Views
It gets darker and darker Roland00 - 22/06/2022 02:10:08 AM 214 Views
It's so bad dude. So bad. Those poor souls... *NM* TyrReborn - 30/06/2022 05:04:56 PM 117 Views
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