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No, we're just disagreeing on what is rational, that is all... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 27/05/2022 03:42:23 AM

To you, the position "we have more kids dying at the end of a gun at school than any other advanced nation, but there are constitutional limits that prevent us from doing much about it" is a rational view. Whether you hold it or not, you give it the deference of a rational position that must be debated respectfully.

To me, that view is insanity. A Constitution exists to protect people. It's not just not sacred, it is very much meant to be contradicted and modified to meet the demands of the moment.

But kids are dying. I think you'll find plenty of people "on the other side" of this not just willing but desperate to at least pass compromise legislation. Forget repealing the Second Amendment, forget going to back to the previous interpretation that it wasn't referring to an individual right to bear arms... Forget anything that would be momentous and big. Do the basics, and plenty of people are desperate enough they'll vote for it, because their constituents will not stomach anything else.

But you don't get to hold to the position that there's irrationality on both sides, bad faith on both sides, and there's some symmetry here between the positions, and not trigger a response.

If that's tough for you to handle, that's your prerogative. But on the day I have to tell my nephew of 8 that no, school from home isn't actually preferable, even though he's not wrong to be scared about a shooting in his classroom...on a day like that, like fuck I'm going to let that kind of smug bullshit fly.

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If no one else wants to open this can of worms, I guess I’ll have to do it - 26/05/2022 02:07:18 AM 2171 Views
Unfortunately, there's not much to say. - 26/05/2022 04:26:10 PM 795 Views
You are not going to get a non emotional discussion about guns, it will never ever be rational - 26/05/2022 08:04:55 PM 828 Views
Re: You are not going to get a non emotional discussion about guns, it will never ever be rational - 26/05/2022 08:36:34 PM 816 Views
There are so many (partial)-solutions and no single one is going to solve it. - 26/05/2022 09:03:10 PM 744 Views
Unfortunately every time there is a mass shooting, gun sales spike. - 26/05/2022 09:26:09 PM 860 Views
Yes - 26/05/2022 09:55:14 PM 734 Views
Re: There are so many (partial)-solutions and no single one is going to solve it. - 26/05/2022 09:56:23 PM 798 Views
You understand two things can both be true, right? - 26/05/2022 10:19:56 PM 772 Views
In such a way - 26/05/2022 10:27:52 PM 781 Views
What Mookie said, Sense and Sensibility with Perspective - 26/05/2022 10:29:04 PM 826 Views
Oh yes, everyone is to blame, and hence no one - 26/05/2022 04:58:37 PM 785 Views
You obviously don't know anything about Canada's gun laws. - 26/05/2022 05:20:25 PM 936 Views
Remarkable - 27/05/2022 03:55:54 AM 787 Views
4% PAL acquisition is, in essence, a ban. - 27/05/2022 04:13:45 AM 757 Views
Well, that was a load of chickenshit - 27/05/2022 05:08:29 AM 783 Views
He said, running away. - 27/05/2022 11:34:19 AM 876 Views
He said, running away. - 27/05/2022 11:34:20 AM 715 Views
You are the RAFO poster child for inability to hold a rational discussion that includes disagreement - 26/05/2022 06:50:11 PM 877 Views
No, we're just disagreeing on what is rational, that is all... - 27/05/2022 03:42:23 AM 764 Views
You just don’t get it. - 27/05/2022 04:22:55 AM 911 Views
I think the same of you... - 27/05/2022 05:05:43 AM 749 Views
Article VI, Clause II - 27/05/2022 05:17:40 AM 879 Views
You're like a broken record. - 27/05/2022 05:23:52 AM 845 Views
Bro you literally come from a country that plays nuclear chicken with Pakistan. - 27/05/2022 11:40:07 AM 775 Views
And? - 27/05/2022 02:24:09 PM 737 Views
Lol Parody account confirmed. - 27/05/2022 04:04:56 PM 766 Views
Your repertoire of insults needs expansion. Keep trying. - 27/05/2022 04:27:35 PM 698 Views
He said, not coming up with any retort of his own. - 27/05/2022 09:58:30 PM 872 Views
whooops *NM* - 27/05/2022 09:58:03 PM 427 Views
Oh, fuck off. - 27/05/2022 06:21:45 PM 825 Views
Why is liking the Constitution a binary thing? - 27/05/2022 08:36:12 PM 840 Views
As you point out, it isn’t binary at all. - 27/05/2022 09:16:18 PM 766 Views
*NM* - 27/05/2022 09:55:28 PM 380 Views
It is not - 28/05/2022 07:19:32 AM 760 Views
Re: Oh, fuck off. - 28/05/2022 06:53:38 AM 742 Views
That's a lot of words to say absolutely nothing. - 28/05/2022 06:56:05 PM 740 Views
When you shut your eyes, of course you can only see nothing - 28/05/2022 09:43:13 PM 727 Views
A dead child for freedom is the choice made every abortion. - 30/05/2022 08:16:18 PM 721 Views
Oh really? Then explain to me... - 31/05/2022 08:41:09 PM 753 Views
That baby isn't a baby, but that man is a woman - 01/06/2022 01:57:40 AM 870 Views
How would the world be different - 26/05/2022 07:03:22 PM 788 Views
Yes and if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle - 26/05/2022 07:14:08 PM 941 Views
I do not believe the original thread was made with curiosity or charity in mind. - 26/05/2022 07:24:20 PM 737 Views
Well isn’t this the pot calling the kettle black. - 26/05/2022 07:33:12 PM 862 Views
Well it is about respectability politics you see - 26/05/2022 07:38:59 PM 755 Views
You're one of those men. - 26/05/2022 08:27:53 PM 854 Views
Hypocrisy - 26/05/2022 08:42:17 PM 714 Views
I don't know whether English is your first language - 26/05/2022 10:00:04 PM 750 Views
Your attempt at mind reading is an abject failure. - 26/05/2022 07:58:07 PM 802 Views
You started with Foreclosure - 26/05/2022 08:08:36 PM 764 Views
Foreclosure, huh - 26/05/2022 08:48:50 PM 760 Views
My advice is listen to the podcast I linked Dragonsoul *NM* - 26/05/2022 09:05:13 PM 388 Views
One more thing - 26/05/2022 07:25:22 PM 768 Views
And I guess this post proves my point, lol. - 26/05/2022 07:34:48 PM 727 Views
Did I trigger you? - 26/05/2022 07:50:02 PM 662 Views
Never owned a gun, but I support gun rights. But... - 27/05/2022 02:51:26 AM 715 Views
I pretty much agree. - 27/05/2022 03:18:38 AM 863 Views
Yep, what Tyr said *NM* - 27/05/2022 03:27:33 AM 353 Views
The NY Yankees are now tweeting about guns. - 27/05/2022 03:26:45 AM 760 Views
Bah - 27/05/2022 04:25:25 AM 805 Views
Baseball twitter is bad - 27/05/2022 04:29:15 AM 666 Views
UPDATE on the shooter, Salvador Ramos - 27/05/2022 03:27:59 PM 826 Views
Can't be more of a disgrace than waiting an hour to go in and kill him. - 27/05/2022 04:05:58 PM 773 Views
Re: Can't be more of a disgrace than waiting an hour to go in and kill him. - 27/05/2022 04:15:22 PM 749 Views
I disagree. - 27/05/2022 10:02:23 PM 703 Views
It's funny how the left thinks only cops should have guns, but also ACAB. - 27/05/2022 06:15:23 PM 800 Views
They already lost their balls. - 27/05/2022 06:52:52 PM 732 Views
I am glad you protect your family - 27/05/2022 08:46:05 PM 746 Views
But see, this is why the death of community and religion is bad for America. - 27/05/2022 10:12:49 PM 760 Views
Charles Whitman took his rifles to the tower at UT Austin in 1966 and killed 14 random people. - 27/05/2022 10:21:42 PM 821 Views
And in May 1928, a maniac bombed a school in Michigan, killing 44. - 27/05/2022 11:46:34 PM 862 Views
I think the presence of visual imagery provides a mimetic response - 27/05/2022 11:52:32 PM 725 Views
Reasonable, but even then, that's merely another condemnation for the modern world. - 28/05/2022 12:06:30 AM 809 Views
I agree - 28/05/2022 12:56:10 AM 708 Views
I haven't said "bAn GuNs!1" - 27/05/2022 11:33:43 PM 791 Views
This is taken from the late Justice Scalia’s majority opinion in 2008’s DC vs. Heller - 27/05/2022 11:50:40 PM 892 Views
Please do not relitigate Heller with me - 27/05/2022 11:59:21 PM 700 Views
I wasn’t and will not. - 28/05/2022 01:01:59 AM 704 Views
We would scare them off that is what - 28/05/2022 01:43:11 AM 689 Views
You chose wisely - 28/05/2022 02:59:47 AM 758 Views
You did not. My apologies. - 28/05/2022 12:03:43 AM 719 Views
Why not 'harden' all schools and kindergartens with armed guards ? - 30/05/2022 03:40:06 PM 758 Views
You're completely right and I hate it. - 30/05/2022 08:24:29 PM 735 Views
Another podcast I enjoyed - 27/05/2022 08:26:56 PM 704 Views
This thread is reminiscint of the classic Wotmania debates from the aughts. - 29/05/2022 12:22:47 AM 879 Views
Nobody would like my idea, but personally, I think Korea's 2 year mandatory service would do us good - 30/05/2022 08:30:37 PM 765 Views
Yep there is zero chance that will happen. - 31/05/2022 10:32:06 PM 879 Views
Interesting - 31/05/2022 10:56:53 PM 764 Views
Re: Yep there is zero chance that will happen. - 01/06/2022 01:50:37 AM 778 Views
Believe it or not I am not always a Grump - 01/06/2022 03:38:16 AM 685 Views
Hot damn, Moolin Rouge was fantastic! *NM* - 01/06/2022 09:36:04 PM 698 Views
What about trans-men - 31/05/2022 10:07:21 PM 812 Views
an intriguing question - 31/05/2022 10:34:39 PM 740 Views
It's all tongue-in-cheek, and isn't that dumb? - 01/06/2022 02:01:04 AM 768 Views
Can the 21 year olds - 01/06/2022 03:44:08 AM 728 Views
Something tells me this won't factor in anyone's favor... - 01/06/2022 09:08:31 PM 747 Views
Wait, the *late* conservative Justice Alito? - 01/06/2022 03:56:19 PM 821 Views
my bad - 01/06/2022 05:09:22 PM 789 Views
Until the existing gun laws are actually enforced, I am not willing to entertain any new ones - 09/06/2022 09:55:41 PM 950 Views
Oh yeah, and I am sick of the hyperbolic gaslighting by both sides - 09/06/2022 10:02:25 PM 855 Views
Anarchy, the State, and UTOPIA ! - 10/06/2022 08:25:05 PM 699 Views
It gets darker and darker - 22/06/2022 02:10:08 AM 815 Views
It's so bad dude. So bad. Those poor souls... *NM* - 30/06/2022 05:04:56 PM 403 Views

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