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Re: You are not going to get a non emotional discussion about guns, it will never ever be rational Dragonsoul Send a noteboard - 26/05/2022 08:36:34 PM


For example why those 3 cities? Why not other cities?


Why not those three cities? I picked three cities at random from what I remember hearing in the news; your other examples are a great illustration of my point: none of those other cities are experiencing murder on a great scale with AR-15s. It's just more proof to my central thesis: selective outrage. Certain political groups freak out when 22 kids are murdered with an AR-15 style rifle, but they don't care about the children killed or maimed daily by handguns, in ALL of those cities you mentioned. So thanks!



And there are about 50 different ways we can reduce gun deaths on the margins. Stuff involving guns but also stuff like locating more hospitals that treat gun related injuries at the sites and cities of high amount of gun deaths.

Please don't tell me your solution to gun violence is to build more hospitals in high gun crime areas? Good point actually, tons of doctors and nurses with expensive cars and high net worth in areas that are flush with violent gun crime; I can't possibly see what would go wrong with that idea.



In sum these conversations are never fruitful, never satisfying, never provide Catharsis with the releasing of tension. For we are talking about inside and outside, with things that penetrate the inside and that is inherently full of tension.

I'm not saying remove emotion from the debate, but hyperbole, which is an entirely different concept.

I'm also saying to address the root cause of so many violent gun deaths: gangs, drugs, cartels and criminals. There will always, always be the lone wolf mass shooter we can't stop. That is something as a society we have to accept.

What we don't have to accept is the daily gun violence and children murdered by criminals and gangs that could be prevented.

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If no one else wants to open this can of worms, I guess I’ll have to do it damookster - 26/05/2022 02:07:18 AM 2187 Views
Unfortunately, there's not much to say. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 04:26:10 PM 814 Views
You are not going to get a non emotional discussion about guns, it will never ever be rational Roland00 - 26/05/2022 08:04:55 PM 834 Views
Re: You are not going to get a non emotional discussion about guns, it will never ever be rational Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 08:36:34 PM 832 Views
There are so many (partial)-solutions and no single one is going to solve it. Roland00 - 26/05/2022 09:03:10 PM 755 Views
Unfortunately every time there is a mass shooting, gun sales spike. damookster - 26/05/2022 09:26:09 PM 872 Views
Yes Roland00 - 26/05/2022 09:55:14 PM 744 Views
Re: There are so many (partial)-solutions and no single one is going to solve it. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 09:56:23 PM 811 Views
You understand two things can both be true, right? damookster - 26/05/2022 10:19:56 PM 786 Views
In such a way Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 10:27:52 PM 795 Views
What Mookie said, Sense and Sensibility with Perspective Roland00 - 26/05/2022 10:29:04 PM 844 Views
Oh yes, everyone is to blame, and hence no one fionwe1987 - 26/05/2022 04:58:37 PM 794 Views
You obviously don't know anything about Canada's gun laws. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 05:20:25 PM 966 Views
Remarkable fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 03:55:54 AM 808 Views
4% PAL acquisition is, in essence, a ban. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 04:13:45 AM 768 Views
Well, that was a load of chickenshit fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 05:08:29 AM 798 Views
He said, running away. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 11:34:19 AM 897 Views
He said, running away. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 11:34:20 AM 726 Views
You are the RAFO poster child for inability to hold a rational discussion that includes disagreement damookster - 26/05/2022 06:50:11 PM 896 Views
No, we're just disagreeing on what is rational, that is all... fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 03:42:23 AM 774 Views
You just don’t get it. damookster - 27/05/2022 04:22:55 AM 939 Views
I think the same of you... fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 05:05:43 AM 759 Views
Article VI, Clause II damookster - 27/05/2022 05:17:40 AM 900 Views
You're like a broken record. fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 05:23:52 AM 863 Views
Bro you literally come from a country that plays nuclear chicken with Pakistan. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 11:40:07 AM 789 Views
And? fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 02:24:09 PM 748 Views
Lol Parody account confirmed. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 04:04:56 PM 774 Views
Your repertoire of insults needs expansion. Keep trying. fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 04:27:35 PM 703 Views
He said, not coming up with any retort of his own. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 09:58:30 PM 883 Views
whooops *NM* Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 09:58:03 PM 437 Views
Oh, fuck off. TyrReborn - 27/05/2022 06:21:45 PM 844 Views
Why is liking the Constitution a binary thing? Roland00 - 27/05/2022 08:36:12 PM 856 Views
As you point out, it isn’t binary at all. damookster - 27/05/2022 09:16:18 PM 780 Views
*NM* Roland00 - 27/05/2022 09:55:28 PM 384 Views
Loyalty is to God, Family, Community, and only then State. TyrReborn - 27/05/2022 09:55:58 PM 830 Views
The founding fathers have a dream, where dreams start and reality begin Roland00 - 27/05/2022 11:39:07 PM 773 Views
This is wonderfully meandering and thought-provoking, but woefully insubstantial for understanding. *NM* TyrReborn - 28/05/2022 12:10:04 AM 480 Views
It is not fionwe1987 - 28/05/2022 07:19:32 AM 777 Views
Re: Oh, fuck off. fionwe1987 - 28/05/2022 06:53:38 AM 747 Views
That's a lot of words to say absolutely nothing. TyrReborn - 28/05/2022 06:56:05 PM 748 Views
When you shut your eyes, of course you can only see nothing fionwe1987 - 28/05/2022 09:43:13 PM 737 Views
A dead child for freedom is the choice made every abortion. TyrReborn - 30/05/2022 08:16:18 PM 732 Views
Oh really? Then explain to me... fionwe1987 - 31/05/2022 08:41:09 PM 762 Views
That baby isn't a baby, but that man is a woman TyrReborn - 01/06/2022 01:57:40 AM 897 Views
How would the world be different Roland00 - 26/05/2022 07:03:22 PM 796 Views
Yes and if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle damookster - 26/05/2022 07:14:08 PM 963 Views
I do not believe the original thread was made with curiosity or charity in mind. Roland00 - 26/05/2022 07:24:20 PM 749 Views
Well isn’t this the pot calling the kettle black. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 07:33:12 PM 884 Views
Well it is about respectability politics you see Roland00 - 26/05/2022 07:38:59 PM 762 Views
You're one of those men. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 08:27:53 PM 871 Views
Hypocrisy Roland00 - 26/05/2022 08:42:17 PM 720 Views
I don't know whether English is your first language Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 10:00:04 PM 765 Views
Your attempt at mind reading is an abject failure. damookster - 26/05/2022 07:58:07 PM 821 Views
You started with Foreclosure Roland00 - 26/05/2022 08:08:36 PM 780 Views
Foreclosure, huh damookster - 26/05/2022 08:48:50 PM 777 Views
My advice is listen to the podcast I linked Dragonsoul *NM* Roland00 - 26/05/2022 09:05:13 PM 392 Views
One more thing Roland00 - 26/05/2022 07:25:22 PM 776 Views
And I guess this post proves my point, lol. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 07:34:48 PM 735 Views
Did I trigger you? damookster - 26/05/2022 07:50:02 PM 669 Views
You screaming get off my lawn is inherently causes an urge to egg your house *NM* Roland00 - 26/05/2022 08:05:48 PM 447 Views
~soaks Roland with the jet nozzle as I hose the egg off my front porch~ *NM* damookster - 26/05/2022 08:50:22 PM 381 Views
Never owned a gun, but I support gun rights. But... TyrReborn - 27/05/2022 02:51:26 AM 721 Views
I pretty much agree. damookster - 27/05/2022 03:18:38 AM 887 Views
Yep, what Tyr said *NM* Roland00 - 27/05/2022 03:27:33 AM 359 Views
The NY Yankees are now tweeting about guns. Roland00 - 27/05/2022 03:26:45 AM 780 Views
Bah damookster - 27/05/2022 04:25:25 AM 819 Views
Baseball twitter is bad Roland00 - 27/05/2022 04:29:15 AM 671 Views
UPDATE on the shooter, Salvador Ramos damookster - 27/05/2022 03:27:59 PM 849 Views
Can't be more of a disgrace than waiting an hour to go in and kill him. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 04:05:58 PM 790 Views
Re: Can't be more of a disgrace than waiting an hour to go in and kill him. damookster - 27/05/2022 04:15:22 PM 756 Views
I disagree. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 10:02:23 PM 710 Views
And if one of the fathers went in and accidentally killed another child and not the shooter? Roland00 - 27/05/2022 11:46:17 PM 722 Views
Thats a good point, and something I didn’t consider when I wrote my response. Dragonsoul - 28/05/2022 12:08:48 AM 685 Views
Understanding with Madness and all that stuff Roland00 - 28/05/2022 12:50:35 AM 831 Views
It's funny how the left thinks only cops should have guns, but also ACAB. TyrReborn - 27/05/2022 06:15:23 PM 820 Views
They already lost their balls. damookster - 27/05/2022 06:52:52 PM 744 Views
I am glad you protect your family Roland00 - 27/05/2022 08:46:05 PM 764 Views
But see, this is why the death of community and religion is bad for America. TyrReborn - 27/05/2022 10:12:49 PM 776 Views
Charles Whitman took his rifles to the tower at UT Austin in 1966 and killed 14 random people. damookster - 27/05/2022 10:21:42 PM 843 Views
And in May 1928, a maniac bombed a school in Michigan, killing 44. TyrReborn - 27/05/2022 11:46:34 PM 887 Views
I think the presence of visual imagery provides a mimetic response Roland00 - 27/05/2022 11:52:32 PM 734 Views
Reasonable, but even then, that's merely another condemnation for the modern world. TyrReborn - 28/05/2022 12:06:30 AM 828 Views
I agree Roland00 - 28/05/2022 12:56:10 AM 716 Views
I haven't said "bAn GuNs!1" Roland00 - 27/05/2022 11:33:43 PM 804 Views
This is taken from the late Justice Scalia’s majority opinion in 2008’s DC vs. Heller damookster - 27/05/2022 11:50:40 PM 910 Views
Please do not relitigate Heller with me Roland00 - 27/05/2022 11:59:21 PM 711 Views
I wasn’t and will not. damookster - 28/05/2022 01:01:59 AM 714 Views
We would scare them off that is what Roland00 - 28/05/2022 01:43:11 AM 703 Views
You chose wisely damookster - 28/05/2022 02:59:47 AM 770 Views
You did not. My apologies. TyrReborn - 28/05/2022 12:03:43 AM 727 Views
Why not 'harden' all schools and kindergartens with armed guards ? AgentApple - 30/05/2022 03:40:06 PM 775 Views
You're completely right and I hate it. TyrReborn - 30/05/2022 08:24:29 PM 747 Views
Another podcast I enjoyed Roland00 - 27/05/2022 08:26:56 PM 712 Views
This thread is reminiscint of the classic Wotmania debates from the aughts. damookster - 29/05/2022 12:22:47 AM 896 Views
Nobody would like my idea, but personally, I think Korea's 2 year mandatory service would do us good TyrReborn - 30/05/2022 08:30:37 PM 783 Views
Yep there is zero chance that will happen. Roland00 - 31/05/2022 10:32:06 PM 907 Views
Interesting damookster - 31/05/2022 10:56:53 PM 778 Views
Re: Yep there is zero chance that will happen. TyrReborn - 01/06/2022 01:50:37 AM 797 Views
Believe it or not I am not always a Grump Roland00 - 01/06/2022 03:38:16 AM 694 Views
Hot damn, Moolin Rouge was fantastic! *NM* entyti - 01/06/2022 09:36:04 PM 706 Views
What about trans-men entyti - 31/05/2022 10:07:21 PM 830 Views
an intriguing question damookster - 31/05/2022 10:34:39 PM 746 Views
It's all tongue-in-cheek, and isn't that dumb? TyrReborn - 01/06/2022 02:01:04 AM 786 Views
Can the 21 year olds Roland00 - 01/06/2022 03:44:08 AM 738 Views
You know, fair enough. If they're old enough to smoke, and they have a doctor that'll rx it, sure. *NM* TyrReborn - 01/06/2022 03:59:17 AM 400 Views
Something tells me this won't factor in anyone's favor... entyti - 01/06/2022 09:08:31 PM 756 Views
Wait, the *late* conservative Justice Alito? fionwe1987 - 01/06/2022 03:56:19 PM 836 Views
my bad damookster - 01/06/2022 05:09:22 PM 803 Views
The Uvalde Police Department and the Uvalde Independent School District police force are no longer Roland00 - 31/05/2022 11:45:32 PM 773 Views
The Uvalde police incompetence is totally indistinguishable from a cover-up at this point Roland00 - 04/06/2022 07:50:04 PM 838 Views
Until the existing gun laws are actually enforced, I am not willing to entertain any new ones HyogaRott - 09/06/2022 09:55:41 PM 972 Views
Oh yeah, and I am sick of the hyperbolic gaslighting by both sides HyogaRott - 09/06/2022 10:02:25 PM 869 Views
Anarchy, the State, and UTOPIA ! Roland00 - 10/06/2022 08:25:05 PM 710 Views
It gets darker and darker Roland00 - 22/06/2022 02:10:08 AM 833 Views
It's so bad dude. So bad. Those poor souls... *NM* TyrReborn - 30/06/2022 05:04:56 PM 412 Views
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