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Re: You are not going to get a non emotional discussion about guns, it will never ever be rational Dragonsoul Send a noteboard - 26/05/2022 08:36:34 PM


For example why those 3 cities? Why not other cities?


Why not those three cities? I picked three cities at random from what I remember hearing in the news; your other examples are a great illustration of my point: none of those other cities are experiencing murder on a great scale with AR-15s. It's just more proof to my central thesis: selective outrage. Certain political groups freak out when 22 kids are murdered with an AR-15 style rifle, but they don't care about the children killed or maimed daily by handguns, in ALL of those cities you mentioned. So thanks!



And there are about 50 different ways we can reduce gun deaths on the margins. Stuff involving guns but also stuff like locating more hospitals that treat gun related injuries at the sites and cities of high amount of gun deaths.

Please don't tell me your solution to gun violence is to build more hospitals in high gun crime areas? Good point actually, tons of doctors and nurses with expensive cars and high net worth in areas that are flush with violent gun crime; I can't possibly see what would go wrong with that idea.



In sum these conversations are never fruitful, never satisfying, never provide Catharsis with the releasing of tension. For we are talking about inside and outside, with things that penetrate the inside and that is inherently full of tension.

I'm not saying remove emotion from the debate, but hyperbole, which is an entirely different concept.

I'm also saying to address the root cause of so many violent gun deaths: gangs, drugs, cartels and criminals. There will always, always be the lone wolf mass shooter we can't stop. That is something as a society we have to accept.

What we don't have to accept is the daily gun violence and children murdered by criminals and gangs that could be prevented.

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If no one else wants to open this can of worms, I guess I’ll have to do it damookster - 26/05/2022 02:07:18 AM 2454 Views
Unfortunately, there's not much to say. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 04:26:10 PM 968 Views
You are not going to get a non emotional discussion about guns, it will never ever be rational Roland00 - 26/05/2022 08:04:55 PM 945 Views
Re: You are not going to get a non emotional discussion about guns, it will never ever be rational Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 08:36:34 PM 1019 Views
There are so many (partial)-solutions and no single one is going to solve it. Roland00 - 26/05/2022 09:03:10 PM 880 Views
Unfortunately every time there is a mass shooting, gun sales spike. damookster - 26/05/2022 09:26:09 PM 1033 Views
Yes Roland00 - 26/05/2022 09:55:14 PM 866 Views
Re: There are so many (partial)-solutions and no single one is going to solve it. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 09:56:23 PM 978 Views
You understand two things can both be true, right? damookster - 26/05/2022 10:19:56 PM 943 Views
In such a way Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 10:27:52 PM 975 Views
What Mookie said, Sense and Sensibility with Perspective Roland00 - 26/05/2022 10:29:04 PM 1021 Views
Oh yes, everyone is to blame, and hence no one fionwe1987 - 26/05/2022 04:58:37 PM 970 Views
You obviously don't know anything about Canada's gun laws. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 05:20:25 PM 1235 Views
Remarkable fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 03:55:54 AM 965 Views
4% PAL acquisition is, in essence, a ban. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 04:13:45 AM 880 Views
Well, that was a load of chickenshit fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 05:08:29 AM 958 Views
He said, running away. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 11:34:19 AM 1076 Views
He said, running away. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 11:34:20 AM 839 Views
You are the RAFO poster child for inability to hold a rational discussion that includes disagreement damookster - 26/05/2022 06:50:11 PM 1127 Views
No, we're just disagreeing on what is rational, that is all... fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 03:42:23 AM 947 Views
You just don’t get it. damookster - 27/05/2022 04:22:55 AM 1210 Views
I think the same of you... fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 05:05:43 AM 876 Views
Article VI, Clause II damookster - 27/05/2022 05:17:40 AM 1173 Views
You're like a broken record. fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 05:23:52 AM 1090 Views
Bro you literally come from a country that plays nuclear chicken with Pakistan. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 11:40:07 AM 913 Views
And? fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 02:24:09 PM 850 Views
Lol Parody account confirmed. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 04:04:56 PM 905 Views
Your repertoire of insults needs expansion. Keep trying. fionwe1987 - 27/05/2022 04:27:35 PM 825 Views
He said, not coming up with any retort of his own. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 09:58:30 PM 1062 Views
whooops *NM* Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 09:58:03 PM 547 Views
Oh, fuck off. TyrReborn - 27/05/2022 06:21:45 PM 1031 Views
Why is liking the Constitution a binary thing? Roland00 - 27/05/2022 08:36:12 PM 1029 Views
As you point out, it isn’t binary at all. damookster - 27/05/2022 09:16:18 PM 929 Views
*NM* Roland00 - 27/05/2022 09:55:28 PM 446 Views
Loyalty is to God, Family, Community, and only then State. TyrReborn - 27/05/2022 09:55:58 PM 992 Views
The founding fathers have a dream, where dreams start and reality begin Roland00 - 27/05/2022 11:39:07 PM 875 Views
This is wonderfully meandering and thought-provoking, but woefully insubstantial for understanding. *NM* TyrReborn - 28/05/2022 12:10:04 AM 588 Views
It is not fionwe1987 - 28/05/2022 07:19:32 AM 920 Views
Re: Oh, fuck off. fionwe1987 - 28/05/2022 06:53:38 AM 877 Views
That's a lot of words to say absolutely nothing. TyrReborn - 28/05/2022 06:56:05 PM 852 Views
When you shut your eyes, of course you can only see nothing fionwe1987 - 28/05/2022 09:43:13 PM 857 Views
A dead child for freedom is the choice made every abortion. TyrReborn - 30/05/2022 08:16:18 PM 849 Views
Oh really? Then explain to me... fionwe1987 - 31/05/2022 08:41:09 PM 897 Views
That baby isn't a baby, but that man is a woman TyrReborn - 01/06/2022 01:57:40 AM 1151 Views
How would the world be different Roland00 - 26/05/2022 07:03:22 PM 915 Views
Yes and if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle damookster - 26/05/2022 07:14:08 PM 1163 Views
I do not believe the original thread was made with curiosity or charity in mind. Roland00 - 26/05/2022 07:24:20 PM 879 Views
Well isn’t this the pot calling the kettle black. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 07:33:12 PM 1121 Views
Well it is about respectability politics you see Roland00 - 26/05/2022 07:38:59 PM 875 Views
You're one of those men. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 08:27:53 PM 1096 Views
Hypocrisy Roland00 - 26/05/2022 08:42:17 PM 836 Views
I don't know whether English is your first language Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 10:00:04 PM 939 Views
Your attempt at mind reading is an abject failure. damookster - 26/05/2022 07:58:07 PM 1017 Views
You started with Foreclosure Roland00 - 26/05/2022 08:08:36 PM 958 Views
Foreclosure, huh damookster - 26/05/2022 08:48:50 PM 939 Views
My advice is listen to the podcast I linked Dragonsoul *NM* Roland00 - 26/05/2022 09:05:13 PM 484 Views
One more thing Roland00 - 26/05/2022 07:25:22 PM 892 Views
And I guess this post proves my point, lol. Dragonsoul - 26/05/2022 07:34:48 PM 849 Views
Did I trigger you? damookster - 26/05/2022 07:50:02 PM 778 Views
You screaming get off my lawn is inherently causes an urge to egg your house *NM* Roland00 - 26/05/2022 08:05:48 PM 569 Views
~soaks Roland with the jet nozzle as I hose the egg off my front porch~ *NM* damookster - 26/05/2022 08:50:22 PM 470 Views
Never owned a gun, but I support gun rights. But... TyrReborn - 27/05/2022 02:51:26 AM 838 Views
I pretty much agree. damookster - 27/05/2022 03:18:38 AM 1147 Views
Yep, what Tyr said *NM* Roland00 - 27/05/2022 03:27:33 AM 428 Views
The NY Yankees are now tweeting about guns. Roland00 - 27/05/2022 03:26:45 AM 985 Views
Bah damookster - 27/05/2022 04:25:25 AM 983 Views
Baseball twitter is bad Roland00 - 27/05/2022 04:29:15 AM 790 Views
UPDATE on the shooter, Salvador Ramos damookster - 27/05/2022 03:27:59 PM 1023 Views
Can't be more of a disgrace than waiting an hour to go in and kill him. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 04:05:58 PM 1005 Views
Re: Can't be more of a disgrace than waiting an hour to go in and kill him. damookster - 27/05/2022 04:15:22 PM 872 Views
I disagree. Dragonsoul - 27/05/2022 10:02:23 PM 834 Views
And if one of the fathers went in and accidentally killed another child and not the shooter? Roland00 - 27/05/2022 11:46:17 PM 832 Views
Thats a good point, and something I didn’t consider when I wrote my response. Dragonsoul - 28/05/2022 12:08:48 AM 808 Views
Understanding with Madness and all that stuff Roland00 - 28/05/2022 12:50:35 AM 1065 Views
It's funny how the left thinks only cops should have guns, but also ACAB. TyrReborn - 27/05/2022 06:15:23 PM 1029 Views
They already lost their balls. damookster - 27/05/2022 06:52:52 PM 873 Views
I am glad you protect your family Roland00 - 27/05/2022 08:46:05 PM 938 Views
But see, this is why the death of community and religion is bad for America. TyrReborn - 27/05/2022 10:12:49 PM 935 Views
Charles Whitman took his rifles to the tower at UT Austin in 1966 and killed 14 random people. damookster - 27/05/2022 10:21:42 PM 1055 Views
And in May 1928, a maniac bombed a school in Michigan, killing 44. TyrReborn - 27/05/2022 11:46:34 PM 1140 Views
I think the presence of visual imagery provides a mimetic response Roland00 - 27/05/2022 11:52:32 PM 848 Views
Reasonable, but even then, that's merely another condemnation for the modern world. TyrReborn - 28/05/2022 12:06:30 AM 1045 Views
I agree Roland00 - 28/05/2022 12:56:10 AM 833 Views
I haven't said "bAn GuNs!1" Roland00 - 27/05/2022 11:33:43 PM 976 Views
This is taken from the late Justice Scalia’s majority opinion in 2008’s DC vs. Heller damookster - 27/05/2022 11:50:40 PM 1139 Views
Please do not relitigate Heller with me Roland00 - 27/05/2022 11:59:21 PM 826 Views
I wasn’t and will not. damookster - 28/05/2022 01:01:59 AM 813 Views
We would scare them off that is what Roland00 - 28/05/2022 01:43:11 AM 821 Views
You chose wisely damookster - 28/05/2022 02:59:47 AM 910 Views
You did not. My apologies. TyrReborn - 28/05/2022 12:03:43 AM 837 Views
Why not 'harden' all schools and kindergartens with armed guards ? AgentApple - 30/05/2022 03:40:06 PM 947 Views
You're completely right and I hate it. TyrReborn - 30/05/2022 08:24:29 PM 927 Views
Another podcast I enjoyed Roland00 - 27/05/2022 08:26:56 PM 833 Views
This thread is reminiscint of the classic Wotmania debates from the aughts. damookster - 29/05/2022 12:22:47 AM 1095 Views
Nobody would like my idea, but personally, I think Korea's 2 year mandatory service would do us good TyrReborn - 30/05/2022 08:30:37 PM 953 Views
Yep there is zero chance that will happen. Roland00 - 31/05/2022 10:32:06 PM 1191 Views
Interesting damookster - 31/05/2022 10:56:53 PM 955 Views
Re: Yep there is zero chance that will happen. TyrReborn - 01/06/2022 01:50:37 AM 973 Views
Believe it or not I am not always a Grump Roland00 - 01/06/2022 03:38:16 AM 818 Views
Hot damn, Moolin Rouge was fantastic! *NM* entyti - 01/06/2022 09:36:04 PM 820 Views
What about trans-men entyti - 31/05/2022 10:07:21 PM 1044 Views
an intriguing question damookster - 31/05/2022 10:34:39 PM 868 Views
It's all tongue-in-cheek, and isn't that dumb? TyrReborn - 01/06/2022 02:01:04 AM 985 Views
Can the 21 year olds Roland00 - 01/06/2022 03:44:08 AM 856 Views
You know, fair enough. If they're old enough to smoke, and they have a doctor that'll rx it, sure. *NM* TyrReborn - 01/06/2022 03:59:17 AM 499 Views
Something tells me this won't factor in anyone's favor... entyti - 01/06/2022 09:08:31 PM 883 Views
Wait, the *late* conservative Justice Alito? fionwe1987 - 01/06/2022 03:56:19 PM 1044 Views
my bad damookster - 01/06/2022 05:09:22 PM 979 Views
The Uvalde Police Department and the Uvalde Independent School District police force are no longer Roland00 - 31/05/2022 11:45:32 PM 892 Views
The Uvalde police incompetence is totally indistinguishable from a cover-up at this point Roland00 - 04/06/2022 07:50:04 PM 992 Views
Until the existing gun laws are actually enforced, I am not willing to entertain any new ones HyogaRott - 09/06/2022 09:55:41 PM 1240 Views
Oh yeah, and I am sick of the hyperbolic gaslighting by both sides HyogaRott - 09/06/2022 10:02:25 PM 1036 Views
Anarchy, the State, and UTOPIA ! Roland00 - 10/06/2022 08:25:05 PM 821 Views
It gets darker and darker Roland00 - 22/06/2022 02:10:08 AM 1045 Views
It's so bad dude. So bad. Those poor souls... *NM* TyrReborn - 30/06/2022 05:04:56 PM 518 Views
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