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States rights do not trump individual rights fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 13/05/2022 05:12:13 PM

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So yes, it imposed abortion on half the country. I'll also point out it imposed, through the trimester framework, when life begins (ie. when a baby is viable to survive outside of the womb and thus have an interest in life).

The imposition of the idea of when life begins on the entire country is exactly what you just argued against.

So in this case, Roe imposed not just abortion on the states that didn't want it, it also imposed an idea of when life actually began.

Or do you not know what imposed means?


A state is a fictional political entity. It exists to serve its citizens. The moment the rights of a state to be an independent political entity requires violation of an individuals bodily autonomy, its rights can take a hike.

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Abortion in the South, and soon, probably all over the country fionwe1987 - 25/04/2022 01:26:45 AM 1082 Views
that is the trouble here Roland00 - 25/04/2022 05:02:46 PM 292 Views
Your utter lack of comprehension means you will never evoke any sympathy from me on this Cannoli - 26/04/2022 12:42:54 PM 326 Views
"The party of "bodily autonomy"" Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 04:51:05 PM 250 Views
That is a perverts motte and bailey argument Roland00 - 26/04/2022 06:27:51 PM 266 Views
The issue is abortion. Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 07:39:00 PM 235 Views
Tell me your feelings about Lochner Roland00 - 26/04/2022 07:53:00 PM 243 Views
Simple, it was wrongly decided. Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 09:51:27 PM 215 Views
I think that is enough for the day Roland00 - 26/04/2022 11:07:42 PM 223 Views
I honestly don't give a fig about the constitution here... fionwe1987 - 26/04/2022 07:00:57 PM 280 Views
You can't have your cake and eat it too. Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 07:42:51 PM 267 Views
Uhhh fionwe1987 - 26/04/2022 07:54:13 PM 234 Views
I mean, yeah. Dragonsoul - 26/04/2022 09:58:19 PM 223 Views
You seem to be arguing with an alternate version of me... fionwe1987 - 27/04/2022 04:46:46 AM 257 Views
Broad popular support? Dragonsoul - 27/04/2022 04:54:49 PM 236 Views
Cannoli is not wrong. damookster - 26/04/2022 05:09:49 PM 270 Views
Cannoli is a contemptuous moron fionwe1987 - 26/04/2022 06:56:33 PM 245 Views
I am contemptuous of you (and I suspect your vocabulary skills) Cannoli - 26/04/2022 09:30:55 PM 279 Views
Was the Catholic Church EVIL . Roland00 - 26/04/2022 07:01:50 PM 265 Views
As a general rule... fionwe1987 - 26/04/2022 07:06:24 PM 235 Views
Do I contradict myself? Very well then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes. Roland00 - 26/04/2022 07:32:33 PM 482 Views
The people who feel righteousness and can not acknowledge ambiguity well this kingdom will be theres Roland00 - 26/04/2022 07:34:10 PM 237 Views
Roland, I am neither supporting nor denying any specific theology in my original comment. damookster - 26/04/2022 08:28:31 PM 226 Views
And I am problematizing your claim Roland00 - 26/04/2022 08:34:17 PM 235 Views
hence, I introduced the problematic existence of exceptions to the law. *NM* damookster - 26/04/2022 08:54:02 PM 151 Views
Theodicy Roland00 - 26/04/2022 08:55:50 PM 276 Views
Re: Theodicy Cannoli - 26/04/2022 09:45:35 PM 243 Views
and yet... damookster - 26/04/2022 10:35:58 PM 271 Views
What is the Andrea Dworkin line again? Roland00 - 26/04/2022 11:06:30 PM 243 Views
You're correct about that. We are most assuredly talking past one another. damookster - 26/04/2022 11:39:01 PM 220 Views
Have not had a drink yet. Roland00 - 26/04/2022 11:46:59 PM 230 Views
I'd say about the same as covering up the child abuse issues. Cannoli - 26/04/2022 09:41:21 PM 282 Views
Pope Sixtus V In the 1580s is when abortion became a top down / pope and council issue. Roland00 - 26/04/2022 10:56:23 PM 282 Views
Leaked draft opinion Jeordam - 03/05/2022 06:42:20 PM 285 Views
John Roberts confirms it is real Roland00 - 03/05/2022 07:37:26 PM 256 Views
Results were leaked, not opinions. Dragonsoul - 03/05/2022 08:02:10 PM 240 Views
If you want to parse the history you are welcome to do so. Roland00 - 03/05/2022 08:32:06 PM 239 Views
You're either being willfully ignorant or disingenuous Dragonsoul - 03/05/2022 09:26:49 PM 247 Views
There's a very simple alternate reason fionwe1987 - 05/05/2022 06:36:26 AM 241 Views
“Wants to get the word out there ASAP” Dragonsoul - 05/05/2022 02:02:00 PM 218 Views
Re: “Wants to get the word out there ASAP” fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:18:24 PM 246 Views
He said, not coming up with any retort of his own. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 03:04:07 PM 238 Views
Re: He said, not coming up with any retort of his own. fionwe1987 - 09/05/2022 05:01:43 PM 210 Views
Don't blame me for your failures. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 05:21:48 PM 194 Views
Leaking also kind of locks in the 5 justices into a more radical decision Roland00 - 05/05/2022 04:08:58 PM 221 Views
Precisely. fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:22:16 PM 198 Views
Obvious intent my ass fionwe1987 - 05/05/2022 06:32:10 AM 220 Views
Treasonous Pieces of Junk Dragonsoul - 05/05/2022 01:58:23 PM 249 Views
I cannot commit treason fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:20:20 PM 228 Views
Neither am I. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 03:02:54 PM 240 Views
Projecting what? fionwe1987 - 09/05/2022 05:02:59 PM 225 Views
Is this a parody account? Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 05:25:39 PM 224 Views
Nope. TyrReborn - 12/05/2022 10:23:24 PM 214 Views
Well, if it's not a parody... Dragonsoul - 13/05/2022 07:46:45 PM 214 Views
Go look up what it means to “project” fionwe1987 - 13/05/2022 05:04:19 PM 228 Views
Stop shifting the goalposts Dragonsoul - 13/05/2022 07:45:21 PM 222 Views
There is no goalpost shifting fionwe1987 - 17/05/2022 12:48:18 PM 241 Views
Parody Account: Hypocrite, or Just Stupid? Dragonsoul - 17/05/2022 07:26:49 PM 234 Views
actually, Trump was impeached damookster - 05/05/2022 02:05:16 PM 220 Views
By Democrats and a few Republicans fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:21:38 PM 239 Views
you wrote: damookster - 06/05/2022 09:34:09 PM 190 Views
Ummm fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:42:57 PM 206 Views
Interesting is one word for it... fionwe1987 - 05/05/2022 06:38:23 AM 218 Views
That's your thought.... Jeordam - 06/05/2022 05:34:21 PM 246 Views
Hardly just mine fionwe1987 - 06/05/2022 09:23:32 PM 195 Views
Interesting... Jeordam - 06/05/2022 10:33:56 PM 247 Views
Roe has restrictions fionwe1987 - 07/05/2022 03:16:32 AM 204 Views
So popular opinion is what decides recognition of life... entyti - 06/05/2022 10:44:08 PM 233 Views
Nice try fionwe1987 - 07/05/2022 03:19:35 AM 189 Views
No one said that, and you know it... entyti - 07/05/2022 05:56:04 AM 215 Views
Well that's a lot of empty noise fionwe1987 - 07/05/2022 02:46:48 PM 216 Views
Then stop listening to yourself… entyti - 07/05/2022 06:56:45 PM 255 Views
Serious reading comprehension fail here... fionwe1987 - 08/05/2022 05:01:28 PM 220 Views
Not reading comprehension. Thinking comprehension... and it's not on my account entyti - 09/05/2022 11:04:57 PM 231 Views
That is the Catholic Church's position after 1869, but lets do Idaho and LA Roland00 - 07/05/2022 10:08:39 PM 225 Views
And the Minoans practiced child sacrifice... entyti - 09/05/2022 11:51:44 PM 211 Views
So we are in agreement if we circle around Roland00 - 10/05/2022 02:34:19 AM 196 Views
Well, we agree it will get worse entyti - 10/05/2022 04:05:33 PM 219 Views
Thanks for explaining why Roe was egregiously wrong. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 03:56:52 PM 194 Views
Roe imposed nothing fionwe1987 - 09/05/2022 05:05:36 PM 213 Views
Actually, it does impose Jeordam - 09/05/2022 05:19:38 PM 301 Views
Re: Actually, it does impose fionwe1987 - 13/05/2022 05:09:04 PM 217 Views
Roe imposed abortion on states that banned it. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 05:26:56 PM 235 Views
States rights do not trump individual rights fionwe1987 - 13/05/2022 05:12:13 PM 221 Views
States rights regulate individual rights Dragonsoul - 13/05/2022 07:42:52 PM 240 Views
I am not allowed to get divorced in my state of Texas if my spouse is pregnant. Roland00 - 15/05/2022 07:59:19 PM 240 Views
Cool Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 12:10:57 AM 234 Views
So our state energy grid Roland00 - 16/05/2022 01:41:50 AM 224 Views
Wow, not sure I've seen you so angry before gban007 - 16/05/2022 08:12:58 AM 248 Views
Sadomasochism, aka cruelty has been the norm of Texas for a long time. Roland00 - 16/05/2022 05:56:26 PM 191 Views
Are you off your meds? Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 12:35:18 PM 207 Views
I live in the world the US set up Internment Camps in living memory, I known survivors. Roland00 - 16/05/2022 06:00:07 PM 215 Views
You're literally arguing with yourself. Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 08:00:37 PM 205 Views
That is precisely what I am afraid of Roland00 - 16/05/2022 08:07:41 PM 197 Views
That can literally be flipped right on to the other side. Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 08:19:02 PM 210 Views
Just a reminder freedom of movement is not in the US Constitution Roland00 - 16/05/2022 08:25:42 PM 218 Views
Again, you put words into my mouth that I've never said. Dragonsoul - 16/05/2022 08:32:38 PM 213 Views
Who the fuck cares? fionwe1987 - 17/05/2022 12:54:48 PM 246 Views
Parody account strikes back! Dragonsoul - 17/05/2022 07:14:24 PM 193 Views
a few final thoughts damookster - 07/05/2022 07:18:38 PM 290 Views
In some ways, it probably would've been better if Roe v Wade had never happened. Legolas - 07/05/2022 08:20:17 PM 253 Views
I can always count on you for rational discussion. *NM* damookster - 07/05/2022 09:19:57 PM 175 Views
He really is wonderful. The Shrike - 09/05/2022 04:29:00 PM 235 Views
Let me join in. Yes. Legolas is good people. *NM* aerocontrols - 10/05/2022 02:52:37 PM 132 Views
It did happen though, sorry if I problematize your fantasy you are transversing Roland00 - 07/05/2022 10:35:12 PM 215 Views
Uh, it wasn't a fantasy... and you didn't problematize it so much as made some vague reflections? *NM* Legolas - 08/05/2022 12:37:23 AM 138 Views
Alternate histories are always fantasies *NM* Roland00 - 08/05/2022 01:03:48 AM 124 Views
History and Histrionic or perhaps Roland00 - 07/05/2022 10:25:23 PM 229 Views
The denominational distinctions within Christiandom aren't of concern to me... fionwe1987 - 08/05/2022 05:09:12 PM 327 Views
There is an easy answer for you. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 03:53:42 PM 239 Views
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