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Then stop listening to yourself… entyti Send a noteboard - 07/05/2022 06:56:45 PM

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If you can't be intellectually honest about your opposing arguments, it's difficult to trust your position.

Your response here weakens your argument. It is certainly not the gotcha you believe it to be.


Translation: I have no argument to make against that, so I'm going to make vague statements about intellectual honesty and try get away with it.

Try harder.


The article you referenced was about the Texas abortion ban, which draws the line at heartbeat. Not zygote formation, not implantation, and certainly not at the level of sperm/egg. Heartbeat.

You avoid this because it becomes exceedingly difficult to argue that the thing being killed aborted is an individual human life. Instead you try to make the science murky by intimating that meiosis is a reasonably put forth argument against abortion. That’s intellectually dishonest.

You try harder…

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Nice try fionwe1987 - 07/05/2022 03:19:35 AM 709 Views
No one said that, and you know it... entyti - 07/05/2022 05:56:04 AM 721 Views
Well that's a lot of empty noise fionwe1987 - 07/05/2022 02:46:48 PM 698 Views
Then stop listening to yourself… entyti - 07/05/2022 06:56:45 PM 899 Views
Serious reading comprehension fail here... fionwe1987 - 08/05/2022 05:01:28 PM 768 Views
Not reading comprehension. Thinking comprehension... and it's not on my account entyti - 09/05/2022 11:04:57 PM 769 Views
That is the Catholic Church's position after 1869, but lets do Idaho and LA Roland00 - 07/05/2022 10:08:39 PM 754 Views
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It did happen though, sorry if I problematize your fantasy you are transversing Roland00 - 07/05/2022 10:35:12 PM 778 Views
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History and Histrionic or perhaps Roland00 - 07/05/2022 10:25:23 PM 764 Views
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There is an easy answer for you. Dragonsoul - 09/05/2022 03:53:42 PM 720 Views
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