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I do not want to talk about the Gay Tory Roland00 Send a noteboard - 15/08/2021 11:14:14 PM

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As you correctly surmised, the quote is from Andrew Sullivan's The Weekly Dish. My comment was to state that in my opinion, Goldwater was the last American Conservative to embody any of the qualities in the quote.

I have no respect for him anymore, only hot disdain for he is not an egalitarian (he pretends he is but he reveals himself again and again)

If you want a counter opinion on the nature of American's Conservatism I would argue the frontier touches everything providing a concept of Liberty as freedom from restraint. But that is not the only definition of freedom in world history let alone in US History. And when I say the frontier touches everything you are defining as conservative how each generation saw the frontier and why it is good or bad, good and pure, good vs wicked is different. Why we want the frontier is in flux.

This book 2019's The End of the Myth: From the Frontier to the Border Wall in the Mind of America by Greg Grandin does a good job of exploring the history of it.

Likewise this podcast is a good 2 hour condensed version where Greg Grandin is interviewed about it. It talks about how Franklin, Maddison, Jefferson, Washington saw the frontier and then it goes through the generations afterwards.

https://www.thedigradio.com/podcast/end-of-the-myth-with-greg-grandin/

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One man's definition of Conservatism damookster - 13/08/2021 10:12:27 PM 608 Views
Leaves the other man saying "horseshit" fionwe1987 - 14/08/2021 01:05:51 AM 245 Views
sigh damookster - 14/08/2021 09:11:48 PM 265 Views
Wait we are not talking about the Gay Tory (with a Substack) who has a hardon for Margaret Thatcher? *NM* Roland00 - 15/08/2021 12:24:27 AM 102 Views
Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner! *NM* damookster - 15/08/2021 03:14:42 AM 111 Views
Why did you invoke a long dead Senator then Roland00 - 15/08/2021 04:05:14 AM 233 Views
Re: Why did you invoke a long dead Senator then damookster - 15/08/2021 03:41:02 PM 207 Views
I do not want to talk about the Gay Tory Roland00 - 15/08/2021 11:14:14 PM 209 Views
Re: I do not want to talk about the Gay Tory damookster - 16/08/2021 01:54:45 PM 186 Views
I know that and I get that Roland00 - 16/08/2021 04:51:37 PM 216 Views
And here I thought damookster - 16/08/2021 05:36:34 PM 214 Views
We hold these truths to be self-evident, the unanimous declaration of phenomenology *NM* Roland00 - 16/08/2021 07:12:19 PM 95 Views
Also Good, American Gentry Local Power and the Social Order Roland00 - 15/08/2021 11:33:44 PM 338 Views
Also Good, American Gentry Local Power and the Social Order Roland00 - 15/08/2021 11:33:44 PM 249 Views
I'm saying that spirit isn't worth lamenting fionwe1987 - 16/08/2021 05:32:46 PM 198 Views
Re: Leaves the other man saying "horseshit" Duke - 15/10/2021 12:53:55 AM 306 Views
The ism words are social constructs Roland00 - 14/08/2021 03:37:25 AM 233 Views
If I had entitled this, One Man's Definition of Being Conservative damookster - 14/08/2021 08:59:08 PM 204 Views
You are trying to sell me on something, do not be surprised when my antibodies give pushback. Roland00 - 14/08/2021 09:03:09 PM 241 Views
Brevity is not one of his strengths. The Shrike - 18/08/2021 08:54:18 PM 233 Views
Greg I am tired of this Roland00 - 23/08/2021 06:54:05 PM 225 Views
Someone is crabby today damookster - 24/08/2021 03:33:14 AM 203 Views
No for you do not make it personal, Greg does. I do not measure up to his "satisfaction" Roland00 - 24/08/2021 07:21:13 AM 192 Views
Measure up? I don't think of you that way. I'm sure you measure up just fine. The Shrike - 25/08/2021 06:49:22 PM 203 Views
Greg you do not know me. You see less than a third of me. I am long winded in specific contexts. Roland00 - 25/08/2021 07:16:12 PM 272 Views
Bring it. The Shrike - 27/08/2021 08:52:11 PM 201 Views
Should I start the popcorn? damookster - 27/08/2021 09:16:41 PM 272 Views
Re: Should I start the popcorn? Duke - 15/10/2021 12:56:29 AM 333 Views
Why are you trying to start an invitation when I say I want to see less of you when you act this way Roland00 - 28/08/2021 12:27:49 AM 222 Views
It's your choice to not reply. The Shrike - 28/08/2021 02:06:13 PM 217 Views
Here is some glass for you to chew on. Roland00 - 28/08/2021 05:40:40 PM 219 Views
You know, The Shrike - 29/08/2021 03:50:44 PM 255 Views
Greg’s so nice / Greg’s not good / Greg’s not bad / Greg’s just nice, fuck you! *NM* Roland00 - 29/08/2021 06:07:46 PM 127 Views
Try harder. Maybe fewer words. But more impactful. The Shrike - 30/08/2021 11:58:05 AM 193 Views
~makes another batch of popcorn~ *NM* damookster - 30/08/2021 02:01:22 PM 180 Views
Gurrlfriend, if I could, I would. The Shrike - 25/08/2021 06:46:45 PM 209 Views
*claps* Roland00 - 25/08/2021 07:16:37 PM 208 Views
It's a good description. The Shrike - 18/08/2021 08:52:00 PM 262 Views
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