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Yeah, that doesn't happen often. You probably guessed that I, uh, can't say the same here. Legolas Send a noteboard - 28/09/2020 09:58:09 PM

View original postI agree with every word you said here. Obviously not about the economic consequences of moving businesses. All they have to do is hire fewer women, unless you think that's a sticking point for the plutocrats of America But seriously, I don't see companies moving to states with higher taxes solely to get their employees access to abortion. Todd Akin derailed his whole campaign just for trying to equivocate on the issue of abortion in the case of rape. Allowing abortion in that circumstance makes no rational sense, it is purely an argument based on superfluous sympathy for the abortion perpetrator alleged victim. The only legitimate grounds on which to oppose abortion is the theory that a fetus is a human life. If it's not a human life, abortion is a private medical decision and none of the state's business, and being generated in a sexual assault does not affect that at all. Yet, Akin's argument, however stupid on its own, STILL conceded the issue of abortion in the case of rape, and he was considered too extreme. If that's the case with rape, I don't see abortion in the case of legit medical emergencies being banned in even the reddest states. And that's rare enough (600 a year, in a country of 150,000,000 uteri, according an abortion advocacy group) that no one is going to be choosing their residence based on it. Except as a matter of principle and how many people with that kind of principle will voluntarily live in Alabama or Texas anyway?

A fetus is a future human life - actually, a potential future human life, considering a pretty substantial share of all pregnancies ends in miscarriage. But when the interests of the pregnant woman clash with those of the potential future life she's carrying, it's logical enough that different people will be inclined to draw the line in different places as to which should take priority. And yes, if the pregnant woman is a rape victim, most people would take that into the equation and draw the line further than they would in other cases, because she never even chose to engage in the activity that had the potential to make her pregnant, and clearly being forced to bear the fetus to term against her will could traumatize her further (though there may be others in the same position who see it differently).

Regarding the company point, I wouldn't expect existing factories to be moved or anything, no. But there could still definitely be an impact. For instance, Georgia has been quite successful in recent years in attracting a good share of the TV/movie industry. But the people involved in that already made very clear what they think about Georgia's anti-abortion laws, so if ever Roe gets overturned and those become the law of the land in Georgia, it's safe to say their TV/movie business will take a pretty severe hit.

View original postRegarding the political stance, I welcome removing abortion as an issue, and stripping the GOP of that weapon in their electoral arsenal. Just to be clear, I would applaud someone who killed a doctor to stop an abortion (I mean, to an extent - are abortion doctors really such tough adversaries that you can't restrain them? Obviously there are not many situations where performing a 200th trimester procedure would actually save many fetal lives), and I'm still sick of them hiding behind being the only pro-life game in town while being complicit in the destruction of our civil liberties, confiscation of our property and irresponsible spending. I don't even LIKE babies. I don't get why showing aspiring abortion customers a sonogram of the thing is an effective tactic (or an illegitimate one, as the self-identified pro-choice side maintains). If actual lives were not at stake, I'd cheerfully leave the prosecution of abortion guilt to a Heavenly court.

I trust you won't be surprised or shocked when I say that I find that one statement abhorrent, even if it's only in theory. But it does make sense that, given your stance on that, you'd like to have an actual choice of who to vote for, by the issue being taken off the table.
View original postI linked below an article from a Christian satirical website on the issue.

Heh. Nice site. The 'Ninth Circuit Court Overturns Death of RBG' article is also pretty good.

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