...if you'll start providing sources for your views. If anything that is critical of Trump is fake news and the lying media, there's not much of a discussion to be had.
I leaned liberal around 2011 and was actually somewhat sympathetic towards Occupy Wall Street. I was extremely tempted to join protesters in Portland but never got around to it. Personal experience, logic, and research has led me to turn my views around to the point that I am ashamed of that sympathy I had.
I feel no need to back up my personal held views and experiences with sources unless we were to delve into a more nuanced discussion about one of the myriad of topics I brought up. This is a discussion forum. Not a scientific paper.
To be honest, I don't mind answering questions but I am not particularly interested in discussing any of the points I raised. I have no desire to convince you of anything. I was probably more politically aligned with your current points of view not too long ago and I know the points you would raise. I don't have a very high opinion of the common liberal's viewpoints that are brought about by group think and cognitive dissonance as I see it.
The discussion I would be more interested in is what your ideal end result is. No point in discussing the problems and possible solutions if we have no understanding of each other's ideal end result. Roland brought up heterotopia. I've been tempted to delve into that with him but I am not sure he was serious. Having him define some concepts as he sees them while looking for intellectual consistency might be fascinating to me.
But what is your ideal end result? What is the perfect future as you see it?
you may want to explain to me how the Democrats/whoever is responsible for all this fakery is so masterfully spearheading this kind of information warfare not just in the US, but throughout the world, yet failing to use these same strings to protect their choice nominee, Biden, from appearing gaffe prone and idiotic.
They've been controlling information for years. This is evident in the fact that people believed that Walter Cronkite was an objective journalist. The voice of reason in news.
What has caused the public at large to lose trust in the media? What role do alternate sources of news play in that erosion of that trust? Independent journalists? The idea that anyone can record a video and post it for the world to see. Is there a battle going on right now to silence independent journalists? Why does YouTube censor medical doctors who share their experiences on covid? What was the point of the narrative that HCQ could not be explored for treatment of covid symptoms?
Why does the mainstream media always get things so wrong? From Russian collusion? Ukraine? China? Covington? Trump in general? polls? If you judge them by their record, you'd take everything they report with a grain of salt. And look for alternate sources of news. But cognitive dissonance.
In other words, if the media cannot be trusted because it has "Trump Derangement Syndrome", how did that become a global phenomenon? Who is bankrolling all this? And why are they both so brilliant, and yet so inept, at controlling the media?
I can point to 3 things. 1 - it depends on who is in control, 2 - what their end goal is... the future they want? and 3 - It depends on what your definition of Truth is. I actually find this topic fascinating at its base level. The idea of absolute truth vs subjective truth.
I'd love to see some journalism you do trust on this. Or, heck, if all of the media is fake, explain to me how you end up knowing anything. You've created a nice little fantasy world where you can believe whatever you want, and dismiss opposing viewpoints as conspiracy theory or fake news.
Are you familiar with the concept of classical sources? Also, I will admit to my guilty pleasure of the growing number of news critics such as leftist Tim Pool although I am growing tired of him in particular as he seems to lean further and further right these days but I think its because its so easy to critique the news coverage of antifa and BLM. He spouts overly leftist ideas all the time that make me cringe.
I don't see much use in debating a non-falsifiable position. If no parameters exist to convince you of someone's good/bad character, then I'll disengage from further conversation.
My viewpoints are not set in stone. Its a matter of pride for me that my views constantly change. I also take pride that they are MY viewpoints. Not regurgitated garbage that I heard from a professor and had to write a paper on.
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