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fix all the problems.

Are you aware of a single action, monetary or otherwise, that will "fix all the problems" on any issue? List them, then.
But it would fix some of them? So then we're not talking about reparations. We're talking about protection money. The government (using my money) is going to pay a section of the population money (either one time or over time) to not loot, steal, destroy property, and set up "autonomous" zones? Is that what we're talking about here?

Yeah nice try there. But you're dodging my question. Why is it not reparations and protection money? You make the law work for everyone and everyone has a stake in keeping the law working.

You impose the law unfairly, and those you impose it on will revolt. Or are you going to claim that the American Revolution was immoral and violent and "against the law", too?

The reparations will do two things: blunt the economic disparity that was and continues to be unfairly imposed on the descendents of slaves, and make the case that the law is, in fact, equally applied regardless of skin color, no matter the cost. It gives you moral standing to then demand that this set of laws not be violated. That is not "protection money".


That as opposed to funding people to enforce the law, we take that money and fund people who do not follow the law, because it was once used against them?

First of all, they're not enforcing the law. The law demands a trial before you mete out punishment. So far as I know, nothing in the law says a potentially counterfeit 20$ bill warrants torture and state sanctioned murder. A busted taillight doesn't warrant a shootout. Falling asleep in your car at a drive through doesn't merit three bullets to your back. So quit trying to make it about "enforcing the law".

Second, would you call the people involved in the Boston Tea Party as anything but engaged in illegal activity? If so, why are they any different? Were they not looting?



How far back can/does one go? Jim Crow laws were invalidated decades ago. Is there another codified example of racial discrimination that I'm unaware of?
~Jeordam

The longer you wait to give recompense and justice, the longer back you will have to go. Jim Crow laws were ended. Was there justice for the people who were lynched?

Segregation was ended. Was there justice for the opportunities for advancement lost during the time it was enforced? Heck, to date there is strong opposition to Affirmative Action, which tries to correct those injustices in a small way.

Redlining in one form or another still persists. Meaningful opportunities to build wealth or keep what is built is regularly denied to African Americans to this date. How is it then shocking that there is more crime and poverty among them? You create the conditions for crime and poverty and that is what you'll get. And giving money to police departments so they can buy tanks isn't going to solve either of those issues.

And mandatory minimums have their impacts on Black communities to this day. The War on drugs has its impact to this day. How exactly are you so blind to these codified examples of racial discrimination that you felt the need to ask me about it?

You keep thinking that this is a historical thing only. Firstly, you never did your job as a nation to apologize for your grave sin and make recompense. And you keep compounding it and have the gall to ask how far back one must go to seek justice?

What's remarkable to me is not that there was some looting and rioting in response to George Floyd. What's remarkable is that there isn't constant looting and rioting. I marvel at the patience of African Americans, despite all the injustice, to hope that one day the American dream will be available to them too. If I were in their place, I'd have spat on the eye of that dream and demanded by force what is mine long ago.

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