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This may have been true at some point... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 04/05/2020 04:49:41 PM

Arguing that the Republicans today are more friendly to small businesses than Democrats is laughable, especially in light of the recent stimulus bills, but ok...

And I have no issue with people choosing to be independent contractors. That was not the choice I was alluding to in my post. I'm talking about the choice to say that if you are an independent contractor, you are cut out of the unemployment system. That you are somehow less worthy of labor protections. That was a choice at the level of government. A stupid choice, and one we're paying for now.

And sorry but you're plain wrong about Michigan. Yes, high density population centers show the highest death rates first in a pandemic like this one, barring intervention. But as we've seen with multiple rural and suburban outbreaks around the world and right here in America, you can't contain the disease to cities.

If Whitmer closed most businesses in the cities, but left them open outside of those, what do you suppose happens if someone with the virus goes to a small town? You've now provided a vector route for transmission. And since this country has a godawfully bad rural distribution of healthcare, rural communities are far less capable of handling a spike in cases.

Unless you're ready to abrogate the right of free travel within the country, and have an infrastructure in place to enforce it, you cannot have different lockdown rules for cities vs non-urban areas.

Which doesn't mean you go on a permanent lockdown till we have a vaccine either. What you need is, shockingly, a good federal government that is able to coordinate the resources of this country to amp up test kit production and availability, ventilator production and availability, PPE product6and availability. Once you get to a threshold on these, you can open up slowly, trace contacts, test them, and treat those that get infected so that you don't see a sharp spike in deaths.

Better government is a pipe dream with a Republican in the White House and heading the Senate. But it's the only answer that will work now, too.

Thanknfully, governor's in some states are banding together and doing a decent job so the full effects of the incompetence in DC aren't showing. And thankfully, the morons toting guns and wanting her locked up didn't make Whitmer blink and do the politically expedient but morally and economically stupid thing of opening the state.

If you disbelieve me, just keep an eye on Georgia in the coming weeks. If everyone goes back to work, you will see a spike in deaths. If people choose to save their lives and lose their jobs, you'll see a sharp spike in folks being both jobless and being unable to claim unemployment benefits.

If neither of these scenarios plays out, I'll be damn happy, but nothing that I know indicates that such a miracle would occur. Either way, let's see what the cost of opening Gerogia is, in a month or so, eh?

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Safety at what cost? And who is paying for it? - 04/05/2020 01:51:07 PM 508 Views
Almost like not having good government comes at a cost, huh? - 04/05/2020 03:19:02 PM 258 Views
the Democrats and others on the American Left have never been friendly to small businesses - 04/05/2020 03:46:38 PM 236 Views
This may have been true at some point... - 04/05/2020 04:49:41 PM 209 Views
yes, we will see. - 04/05/2020 05:54:26 PM 227 Views
Yes, it is worse in India, and even worse in other places - 04/05/2020 06:43:39 PM 225 Views
The death rate is not a fixed number *NM* - 05/05/2020 02:11:53 AM 90 Views
No shit. *NM* - 05/05/2020 02:18:49 AM 92 Views
I meant the rate of death if infected, is not a fixed number *NM* - 05/05/2020 02:19:48 AM 108 Views
Neither is the number of unemployed. *NM* - 05/05/2020 02:22:47 AM 107 Views
We have tools that can impact that number, we can not do so for the death rate. - 05/05/2020 02:34:19 AM 200 Views
My late wife’s sister and her husband are both self employed - 05/05/2020 03:07:46 AM 238 Views
But that is entirely a fixable failure of the system... - 05/05/2020 03:26:25 AM 225 Views
Oh please - 05/05/2020 04:01:34 AM 238 Views
Then I fail to see your point... - 05/05/2020 05:57:20 AM 212 Views
I am not going to play this game mookie. - 05/05/2020 03:29:52 AM 208 Views
NYC is a poorly run cruise ship and not an example of what could happen everywhere else. - 05/05/2020 03:54:13 AM 232 Views
That's some prime nonsense - 05/05/2020 05:58:45 AM 210 Views
Here’s the deal and the point my two repliers are missing. - 05/05/2020 04:29:36 AM 243 Views
We ban businesses and fields of the economy all the time. - 05/05/2020 04:41:33 AM 212 Views
Were freon and incandescent light bulbs banned by executive order without new legislation? - 05/05/2020 04:49:00 AM 211 Views
You can not always complain to the manager Mookie, sometimes there is no manager and we must act to - 05/05/2020 05:00:00 AM 235 Views
This is NOT Europe. - 05/05/2020 05:13:55 AM 216 Views
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I will have a go at responding as well - 06/05/2020 12:18:31 AM 373 Views

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