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Do you think the GND would have been proposed or even cooked up if the president was a Democrat ? AgentApple Send a noteboard - 20/04/2019 05:04:47 PM

Had the DNC let any junior Congressperson propose major legislation during the Obama years ?
GND is AOC's idea of trolling



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View original postAfter all, the two greatest successes when it comes to nuclear energy are Sweden and France, two nations held up by democratic socialists for decades as models of the kind of societies they want.

Er. Say what now? France is a model society?

Generally speaking, that is. Of course in terms of nuclear energy you might consider it a model. Although as an inhabitant of a neighbouring country, I do want to suggest you take a look at the map of where precisely they chose to build their nuclear plants... oh, many of the biggest plants are right at the border, including one surrounded on three sides by Belgian territory? What a coincidence!

Mind you, our northern neighbours would immediately reply that Belgium doesn't have much room to talk on that score, having its largest reactors remarkably close to the Dutch border.


View original postIn response, radical critics of capitalism shifted their focus. The problem was no longer that capitalism was causing material poverty but rather that it was destroying the environment.

Have to say I can't take these conspiracy theory 'marxists needed a new enemy so they picked nuclear reactors' parts very seriously.
View original postWhat kind of an energy economy would that be, exactly? A prosperous, clean, and high-energy one. “If you ask me, it'd be little short of disastrous for us to discover a source of clean, cheap, abundant energy because of what we would do with it,” explained Lovins.

This article does conspicuously ignore the topic of where to get the uranium for all these nuclear power plants... not to say I don't agree with the general idea, but I could do with a somewhat more neutral analysis that doesn't gloss over or ignore every downside of nuclear power.
View original postLittle wonder, then, that the Green New Deal includes every progressive demand on the books: retrofitting buildings and power grids; subsidizing sustainable agriculture by family farmers; public transit; restoring ecosystems; cleaning up hazardous waste; international aid; worker training. This list goes on and on.

View original post“It is in no context a ‘program,’” observes Charlie Cook in National Review. “It is, rather, an all-compassing wish list — an untrammeled Dear Santa letter without form, purpose, borders, or basis in reality.”

I've made the same comparison to a Santa letter myself - the GND isn't an actual plan or deal in any serious sense of the word. And while you could argue that you need to start with getting people on board to achieve ambitious environmental targets and only then look at how to get there, it was still completely idiotic to present said ambitious targets in the same breath with a long and utopic left-wing wishlist on mostly unrelated topics like wage equality, so as to guarantee that no Republican could take the GND seriously. It made it harder, not easier, for Republicans or centrist Democrats to prioritize the struggle against climate change.

Though considered from an international context, the GND may be a blunder, but it's a domestic American one which isn't really relevant for climate change efforts elsewhere and you can't dismiss the whole global Green movement based on that.


View original postJust contrast Germany and France. Germany has done much of what the Green New Deal calls for. By 2025 it will have spent $580 billion on renewables and related accoutrement, while shutting down its nuclear plants.

View original postAll that Germany will have gotten for its "energy transition" is a 50% increase in electricity prices, flat emissions, and an electricity supply that is 10 times more carbon-intensive than France’s.

Not to mention increased highly-polluting plants and entire villages being removed to make way for their new coal mining.



View original post One of many reasons I don't take seriously the modern Green or Democratic parties is their refusal to consider nuclear power as an INTERIM solution. It's a great long term solution too. There is so much anti-scientific language in these political parties' stances that I have to believe they just don't understand or want to know how nuclear power works. And its because the so called Green New Deal has nothing in it about nuclear power that I can't take it seriously.

I agree, but nuclear power and renewables are not an either/or story, it should be both. If at some point in the future nuclear fusion becomes technically and economically feasible, the calculations might change again, but in the meantime, nuclear plants do still have environmental and geopolitical implications because of the uranium required for them, while solar and wind energy are truly inexhaustible.


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It would be even better if more widely adopted. - 18/04/2019 07:44:28 PM 431 Views
And according to Stan Lee, we will get superheroes out of it! *NM* - 19/04/2019 03:55:21 AM 207 Views
Definitely agreed. - 19/04/2019 01:08:14 PM 423 Views
I agree with a lot of this, though there's also stuff that irks me. - 18/04/2019 08:56:01 PM 456 Views
True - 19/04/2019 01:07:06 PM 432 Views
I'd say yes, but the devil is in the details... *NM* - 19/04/2019 06:57:07 PM 215 Views
Do you think the GND would have been proposed or even cooked up if the president was a Democrat ? - 20/04/2019 05:04:47 PM 397 Views
I assume then there would've been a less half-baked plan, indeed. - 24/04/2019 06:20:52 PM 388 Views
I've never really connected the two... - 18/04/2019 10:32:34 PM 425 Views
I never had much regard for that argument - 19/04/2019 04:02:12 AM 434 Views
They didn't mention the oil & coal industries. - 19/04/2019 04:07:16 AM 445 Views
The Left wants to establish a direct connection between climate change and the evils of capitalism - 20/04/2019 12:13:49 AM 391 Views
Perhaps it is the opposite? - 20/04/2019 01:10:18 AM 406 Views
Perhaps not - 20/04/2019 04:17:34 AM 410 Views

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