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Not exactly among your best work, but bonus points for copying my Graham shout out there. Legolas Send a noteboard - 11/10/2018 09:42:07 PM

View original post I would probably require the official in question to be the subject of tape recorded confessions attempting to suborn perjury, a long history of complaints of that sort of behavior, and DNA evidence. But that's not enough to get a single Democrat to cross party lines, so why should Republicans bother? Why should they have even heard Ford out, until she came up with something better than the 36 year old recollections of a woman with a self-described highly unreliable memory. Also, I don't care if they had a fucking home movie of Kavanaugh doing that as a 17 year old. It has nothing to do with his qualifications for the bench or the Supreme Court. I need something better than the assertions of a gender widely incapable of coping with the sight of an insect that it was actually a threatening or frightening experience. Ford's assertions of her emotions tell us about Ford, they have nothing to do with Kavanaugh. And that's assuming a politically active & partisan individual is actually being honest.

Okay, noted, so you don't have any problem with a likely though not legally proven sexual assaulter on the SC (and to be abundantly clear, this is a hypothetical scenario we are talking about, I said IF there had been such evidence). Do you think all Republicans in the Senate (or enough for confirmation, so nearly all) would have reasoned the same way?

I don't know why you would use instantly disproven exaggerations like 'not enough to get a single Democrat to cross party lines'. Clearly a single Democrat, Joe Manchin, DID cross party lines. Heitkamp might conceivably have done the same if Kavanaugh had behaved differently during the hearings - she did vote to confirm Gorsuch, as did Donnelly. Or she might not have, we'll never know.

View original postInnocent until proven guilty is not just a legal standard, it is a common expression for the standard any decent person uses. It's amazing that you and your ilk believe Merrick Garland had an ironclad "right to be heard" (which is a thing you all made up two years ago, as opposed to "innocent until proven guilty" which is a legitimate standard used elsewhere), but Brett Kavanaugh's legal career has to dead-end because some dingbat with ample credibility issues randomly makes a completely unsupported assertion about him.

I don't think Merrick Garland had a 'right to be heard'. I do think that by simply refusing to even have hearings and eventually a vote, McConnell further escalated the existing trend towards hyperpartisan behaviour in Supreme Court nominations. As I said in my reply to Tyr, I'm very much aware that Democrats also bear a lot of responsibility for that trend, possibly the majority of it. And I mentioned Graham's voting record on Obama's picks in that same post.

As for the second part, if we disagree on the fundamental point of whether or not Ford made her accusation in good faith (which doesn't necessarily mean that it's true, just that she believes it to be true), then obviously we're not going to agree on much else here, either.


View original postAnd it's only the GOP that allows that sort of thing, while the Democrats march in lockstep with that "party strategy." Which of THEM were convinced by the preponderance of evidence against Clinton?

I don't personally remember the Clinton impeachment case, but according to Wikipedia, five Democrats in the House voted for at least some of the four articles of impeachment, while five Republicans voted against all of them.
View original postI notice you only ever respect Republicans who vote along with the Democrats. You decry partisanship whenever the GOP is standing up for their principles or voting in accordance with a very popular issue among voters, or objecting to, or resisting the Democrats, but you ignore that only one party votes along hard lines and accept whatever their talking points are for not reaching across the aisle or letting the party with a Senate majority and the White House appoint the justices they want. There are many Republican appointed justices who were liberals or swing votes, but every Democrat appointee since Byron White has been a hard leftist.

Nonsense. I don't say that I'm neutral or perfectly objective, but I certainly also condemn Democrats when they take overly partisan positions that get in the way of finding solutions. And fyi, I've gone on the record on Facebook defending both Collins and Manchin for their respective votes in favour of Kavanaugh - not that I would've voted the same way, but I do respect their decisions and don't think they deserve to be pilloried for them.
View original postWhat Democrats have ever passed conservative bipartisan legislation? What Democrats reach across the aisle to assist the conservative agenda? EVERY contentious Supreme Court nominee has been by a Republican, and Graham's voting for Obama's picks is far more the rule of thumb for the GOP. Who'd we ever Bork or gin up nonsense like for Clarene Thomas? Yet you act like the refusal to hold hearings for a lame duck president's backdoor appointee when they had the votes is the worst thing ever done in the Supreme Court appointment process. Yeah, it was partisan, but that's how things are in this country. There is not some objectivly correct position or an aceptable-compromise middle that serves everyone. And furthermore, the GOP was willing to put its money where its mouth was. At a time when everyone expected the next president to be a Democrat, they set up a standard that was possibe for the Democrats to meet. As many Democrats gleefully pointed out, Hilary Clinton could have come up with someone they'd hate even more, and warned McConnell & company that this was their only chance to have a say. If Obama wanted to test their principles, he could have withdrawn Garland and tossed up Gorsuch or Kavanaugh and challenged the Senate Republicans to stick to their principle and block his lame duck appointment when he affected to believe that it would be a Democrat getting the next chance. What it came down to, is that it would ultimately be Hillary Clinton denying Garland his fictitious right to be heard, when she nominated some far-left extremist. If Garland had that right, Clinton could have preserved it, if she had won, as everyone expected at the time. And everyone knows she would not have, unless she struck some sort of behind-the-scenes deal with Ginsburg to retire, so she could have her own pick and posture with Garland.

Since I've noticed many times that your definition of 'conservative' is basically 'things that I approve of', I'm afraid only you can answer your first two questions. Obviously there are plenty of cases of bipartisan legislation being crafted, where generally people on both sides are given credit for having launched it, so hard to say which side reaches out more often.

Sure, the three famous cases of controversial SC nominations in modern history have all been Republican appointees, but that doesn't exactly prove anything. At least, not unless you have credible evidence that there were comparable accusations against some Democratic nominees as there were against Thomas and Kavanaugh, and that the Republicans nobly declined to make use of those. In the Thomas case, frankly, from what I can see, Anita Hill had more reason to complain about those hearings than Thomas himself. I'm less familiar with the case of Bork, who seems to have been rejected more based on his positions (and of course the Saturday Night Massacre).


View original postWhere was your indignation about judicial partisanship when Ginsburg said she'd want to leave the country if Trump won or when Sotomayor asserted racial preferences for the bench?

I'm sorry, but expressing distaste for Trump is simply common sense. I'll agree that she shouldn't have said it, but let's be serious, most Republican politicians and I dare say perhaps a conservative SC justice or two would have had, perhaps still have, similar sentiments about how terrible a candidate Trump was.

Not sure how the Sotomayor thing is partisan, either, however stupid or reprehensible you may find it.

View original postWhere is your concern generally when mountains are made of the Republicans' bad conduct molehills, which the Democrats in general have always had a greater percentage of degenerates, including unapologetic worship of Ted Kennedy, Bill Clinton and Bob Byrd? Republicans go down for things that the average person on the street needs to have explained to him, like obscure violations of nitpicky regulations. They are charged with perjury not for directly denying actions they were proven to have commited, but for things like Scooter Libby's recollection of a casual conversation differing from that of a reporter's. The propaganda wing of the Democrats media has to actually explain to people that a Republican's actions constitute gay or racial codes. Strom Thurmond was constantly being painted as a racist, despite no hard facts to pin him on, aside from being a white man from the South (and the closest thing to racism in his past being too embarassing to Democrats to make a big deal about it), while Bob Byrd, an actual officer of the KKK, receives fawning tributes. David Duke is only a nationally-known figure, because he's the most successful Klansman to ever run as a Republican, while the Democrats have no problems nominating Klansmen for the Senate or Supreme Court. Jack Ryan was driven out of the race that put Obama on the national political scene based on unsubstantiated allegations that even if true amount to no more than propositioning his wife for sex, but it's okay for Bill Clinton to suborn perjury, because the topic of said perjury is his private, if extramarital, sex life, while pretending the actual rape accusations against him are not a thing.

Politico had an interesting article recently about the Gary Hart scandal back in the 1988 election. Comparing his scandal to the way people like Bill Clinton misbehaved in far more serious ways without paying such a political price for it, they concluded that it's hypocrisy and doing bad things that don't stroke with your public image which hurt politicians' reputations the most. And given the importance of the religious right in Republican politics, before Trump it was indeed very difficult for Republican politicians to make a national career unless they had an upright, clean reputation. Now with Trump, we do see clear evidence of that conclusion - even among conservative Christian supporters, his sexual misbehaviour is ignored and minimized, because they knew from the start what he was like. Which must be really infuriating to a great number of Republican politicians - especially someone like Mark Sanford, whose career was ruined by behaviour not nearly as bad as Trump's (or Clinton's, yes), then he built it up again, only to lose his seat in a primary for the crime of having his own opinions and having failed to suck up to Trump thoroughly enough...

It's true that the liberal media has paid a great deal of attention to the cases where Republican politicians were accused of things like prostitution, solliciting gay sex in public or simply adultery, but when such cases involve people who publicly advocate against gay rights or sexual promiscuity, and preach about family values, well, see above. Everybody loves to attack hypocrisy in others.

As for Byrd and Thurmond - as far as I'm concerned they both had reprehensible pasts, and yes, of course Thurmond started out as a Democrat, but since the segregationist voters switched en masse to the Republican party along with him, I don't think it makes much sense to act as if the modern Democratic Party is more responsible for them than the modern Republican party. The endless controversies over the Confederate flag and monuments in the South, and the respective positions of Democratic and Republican politicians on those, should make pretty clear that the positions of parties may change quite radically over longer periods of time.

View original postYou are exactly whom Orwell had in mind with "Two legs bad, four legs good."

After that post, that's a pretty hilarious closer.

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Not exactly among your best work, but bonus points for copying my Graham shout out there. - 11/10/2018 09:42:07 PM 485 Views

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