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Sympathy vs Empathy Roland00 Send a noteboard - 23/08/2018 09:27:43 PM

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When given the proper attention, the vagina is not a bit disgusting. So I do not agree.

I actually agree with you the vagina is not disgusting I was joking

Well actually the whole entire body is disgusting in its own way.


As to the rest, I think it's cute when you attempt to educate me. Lordy, who knew my everyday little words came from such fancy furrin languages?

I once heard someone say that true empathy requires sharing the frame of reference with the sufferer, while sympathy does not. I realize that definition is not correct, but I like it anyway.


Sympathy is a much older term and comes form latin which was taking the greek word συμπάθεια. συμπάθεια means σύν (sún, “with, together”) + πάθος (páthos, “suffering”). Well συμπάθεια was imported into late latin as sympathīa, which was imported into Middle French as sympathie, which was imported modern English as sympathy.

Sympathy means you do not share the frame of reference of understanding and the pain, yet you feel "they are on your side."

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English's Empathy is a much more modern word. It was a word coined by Edward B. Titchener in 1909. Edward was trying to translate a german word (Einfühlungsvermögen and it shorter version Einfühlung...note this german might as well be greek to me ) and thus he could not find a similar word in English to translate the German word he created the modern word Empathy by going to the Ancient Greek and important an Anglizied version of the Greek. (ἐμπάθεια / empátheia). Which was an anglized version of saying "in / at" + "feeling / suffering"

2 Fun Facts.

1) Edward took from the ancient greek, but that same original ancient greek derived another modern meaning in modern greek which is "hostility" / "malice" / "strong negative feelings and prejudice against someone." This happens all the time in language and is called a "false-friend" two words that look on the face of it to be similar but have radically different meanings. I find this so ironic and thus funny in its own way.

2) Edward is a old psychologist / philosopher who is one of the two founders of the structural psychology. Structural Psychology (sometimes called Structuralism) seeks to understand the root parts of our experiences (often childhood) and how we create a more complicated weave from this root parts. Aka his definition of empathy is very much related to his whole idea of what psychology is and should be. Note structuralism (psychology) and structuralism (sociology, anthropology, and linguistics) are completely and utterly different things even if we use the same English word to describe them. Once again one of the games language plays and one of the insights of the post-structuralist (sociology, anthropology, and linguistics definition of structuralism). Once again ironic and thus fun in its own way. Oh talking about these such as what is Post-Structuralism and what is Structuralism is like the ultimate esoteric nonsense that LiterateDog / Joe was talking about earlier.

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So Empathy means you understand their frame of reference and you can feel the same thing (but also you can turn it on and off with how much your empathy influences you.) While Sympathy means you feel like you are in their together and you feel something for the other person, or the other person's struggles.

In psychology and neuroscience we see these as two distinct things for different parts of the brain are activated with empathy and sympathy. Different sub categories of theory of mind. Same thing with other words such as compassion and so on.




So I just gave you a history lesson with Empathy vs Sympathy. Now here is the REAL PROBLEM people use these two different words in different ways and you have to figure out what the FUCK they mean based off context and sometimes that requires you to stop them and ask them questions via redirection. Well you can't always do that so figuring out what they mean via empathy vs sympathy is so hard and often impossible.



Everything is vanity and a striving after the wind...

Nope Mookie you may be older than me, but I claimed already ecclesiastes in this thread so I get dibs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmAPOQU7DQo

Mookie have you watched Bojack Horseman yet? (From Episode 2)
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