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I don't think not having a name in Old English matters here. The Shrike Send a noteboard - 19/01/2018 05:05:47 PM

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Why didn't they mention 7 while they were at it if they took the position they did?

Other places seem to think it was a letter as well. Interesting to debate it but I don't know if it will be resolved here. I think perhaps the problem is the definition of letter. It seems to be broad enough to include the long s.

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The Fascinating History of 10 Extra Letters the English Alphabet Used to Have The Shrike - 18/01/2018 06:35:45 PM 1125 Views
I have to take issue with the & and the "long s" Tom - 18/01/2018 07:28:09 PM 474 Views
Ok, let's define what a letter is. The Shrike - 18/01/2018 11:25:22 PM 514 Views
Yes, the long "s" is just a variant. It didn't have a name in Old English. Tom - 19/01/2018 03:39:51 PM 674 Views
I don't think not having a name in Old English matters here. The Shrike - 19/01/2018 05:05:47 PM 768 Views
I think it does, quite definitively. Tom - 20/01/2018 08:46:24 PM 481 Views
All th Germans I have known have considered ß to be a letter. The Shrike - 20/01/2018 11:01:40 PM 538 Views
ß is a ligature Tom - 21/01/2018 04:04:48 PM 483 Views
That article is even sloppier than the first Tom - 20/01/2018 09:01:33 PM 462 Views
All letters were once "fake". The Shrike - 20/01/2018 10:59:11 PM 549 Views
Isn't that kind of idealist Roland00 - 21/01/2018 08:02:14 AM 508 Views
Realist perhaps The Shrike - 22/01/2018 01:54:14 AM 471 Views
Pivots Roland00 - 22/01/2018 03:43:56 AM 590 Views
Meanwhile The Shrike - 22/01/2018 12:23:13 PM 433 Views
Olympics are grand aren't they? *NM* Roland00 - 22/01/2018 05:23:56 PM 274 Views
Deutschland, Deutschland! The Shrike - 22/01/2018 05:26:50 PM 382 Views
No, actually that's quite incorrect. Tom - 21/01/2018 04:14:18 PM 483 Views
You've missed the point. The Shrike - 22/01/2018 01:53:59 AM 501 Views
No, I'm trying to show the qualitative difference between the two events. Tom - 22/01/2018 04:34:20 PM 418 Views
The letter J? *NM* Roland00 - 22/01/2018 05:19:14 PM 320 Views
No, J is a lot like the long s. Tom - 22/01/2018 07:23:01 PM 465 Views
Feels we are talking past each other. Roland00 - 22/01/2018 07:52:53 PM 517 Views
You're wrong. Tom - 23/01/2018 01:21:26 AM 553 Views
Agreed. Ligatures aren't letters. *NM* Ghavrel - 19/01/2018 06:13:43 AM 308 Views
Eh . . . the Ampersand is probably now considered a logogram rather than a ligature. The Shrike - 19/01/2018 01:27:21 PM 472 Views
ſ is just a variant. *NM* Tom - 19/01/2018 03:40:53 PM 349 Views
I enjoy this thread muchly...yet I will not participate besides saying Roland00 - 19/01/2018 10:46:40 PM 446 Views
You're using sublime too often; it's losing its luster The Shrike - 20/01/2018 12:15:10 AM 510 Views
Do I? (in regards to sublime) Roland00 - 20/01/2018 12:46:35 AM 431 Views
(in regards to sublime) damookster - 20/01/2018 03:18:04 PM 481 Views
Brilliant! *NM* Floffe - 20/01/2018 03:38:39 PM 274 Views
The Shrike - 20/01/2018 11:20:11 PM 482 Views
*NM* globug0822 - 23/01/2018 09:18:01 PM 283 Views
Is this payback for the irritating word, Umami? Roland00 - 24/01/2018 07:25:56 AM 383 Views
Upapi? *NM* damookster - 25/01/2018 08:41:14 PM 318 Views
Thank all gods everywhere they are gone. LiterateDog - 22/01/2018 12:23:34 PM 461 Views
Some other letters should go too. The Shrike - 22/01/2018 01:12:31 PM 536 Views
How would you replace the ch sound? Roland00 - 22/01/2018 04:15:04 PM 485 Views
I'm against removing letters that have done perfectly well for over 2500 years, thank you Tom - 22/01/2018 04:41:23 PM 457 Views
And I am not. We have had this debate before. To each his own. :-) The Shrike - 22/01/2018 05:22:36 PM 436 Views
Attic Greek was written in uncials that are easy to read Tom - 22/01/2018 07:24:51 PM 443 Views
I thought of removing C, as well. LiterateDog - 22/01/2018 06:16:20 PM 467 Views
The CH is a problem. The Shrike - 22/01/2018 06:34:47 PM 377 Views
And calling people you don't like "fu king unts"? *NM* Tom - 22/01/2018 07:25:29 PM 373 Views
Meanwhile if it were written as fuking kunts, no one would have any issues The Shrike - 22/01/2018 07:54:41 PM 539 Views
I have an issue, kunts looks too much like nuts or knuts Roland00 - 22/01/2018 08:09:52 PM 461 Views
Would you prefer a Knut? The Shrike - 22/01/2018 10:55:09 PM 435 Views
Yes I like my internet memes and thus I do not want to be confused by that word sometimes directed Roland00 - 23/01/2018 10:28:58 PM 403 Views
Yes, ask him The Shrike - 24/01/2018 01:32:08 AM 434 Views
Totes I will ask him about Tot *NM* Roland00 - 24/01/2018 09:49:45 PM 304 Views
Yes, about the meanings. Pronounced quite differently. Legolas - 25/01/2018 06:17:22 PM 527 Views
Scheisse. I did forget it. The Shrike - 26/01/2018 05:24:21 PM 442 Views
You mean Scheiße? *NM* Tom - 26/01/2018 06:49:26 PM 294 Views
No. I mean Scheisse. *NM* The Shrike - 26/01/2018 07:15:21 PM 324 Views
*NM* Tom - 26/01/2018 11:07:18 PM 376 Views
*NM* The Shrike - 28/01/2018 02:15:03 AM 290 Views
all those k's.... damookster - 22/01/2018 08:23:09 PM 419 Views
So . . . no Klondike bars or Kit Kats for you. The Shrike - 22/01/2018 10:55:53 PM 513 Views
But it would look "fuking" stupid Tom - 23/01/2018 01:30:15 AM 444 Views
All languages change The Shrike - 23/01/2018 01:40:18 AM 428 Views
They change, but resistance is not futile. Tom - 23/01/2018 02:10:17 AM 496 Views
Also, you're not talking about the language changing. You're talking about changing the language. Tom - 23/01/2018 02:16:39 AM 498 Views
I am being a realist who understands that spellings change. Letters get dropped. Language evolves. The Shrike - 23/01/2018 06:53:25 PM 531 Views
It is posts like this that remind me why you are my RAFO tree Roland00 - 23/01/2018 10:29:53 PM 419 Views
Nope sadly he did not *NM* Roland00 - 23/01/2018 10:30:09 PM 231 Views
What are you talking about here? The Shrike - 24/01/2018 12:21:55 PM 438 Views
I am talking about Logograms Roland00 - 24/01/2018 09:48:48 PM 439 Views
Evolution, not revolution Tom - 23/01/2018 10:54:37 PM 572 Views
Should change occur in one's lifetime or only seen through a generational prism? *NM* Roland00 - 23/01/2018 11:07:47 PM 291 Views
I guess it depends on how long one's life is. Tom - 23/01/2018 11:39:40 PM 433 Views
It's also one of the reasons I am against the 1918 spelling reforms in Russia. Tom - 23/01/2018 02:06:34 AM 552 Views
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