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And actually demonstrated a pretty noticeable (generational?) divide. There was one side that advocated for those Trigger warnings...in the hope that the very small percentage chance of people with <insert potential issue here> would be affected to such a large degree that they would potentially <insert ill-advised action here>. That's a whole bunch of potential individual potentially disturbed to such a degree that they potentially do something destructive.

There definitely seems to be a divide between those of us who went to school before this current "awakening" and those who went to school after. Maybe it is social media. Maybe it is a problem with universities. Whatever it is, I wouldn't ever have dreamed to do any of the stuff these people are doing now.


Then there was the other side which advocated for the fact that trigger warnings are unnecessary. I don't know if I'm knowledgeable enough to state the motivations.... At least from my perspective, those trigger warnings would do nothing more then create an artificial environment where an individual is warned of any and all potential idea, concept, topic, or subject that would upset them in any way, shape, or form. Seeing as how part of life is learning how to adjust to circumstances as they happen....maybe they need to toughen up.

It's much akin to a parent sending their child outside to play, but having multiple layers of Personal Protective Equipment on for any activity....all on the off chance they may get hurt in any number of ways. Sometimes that kid is going to get a skinned knee. Sometimes they will break an arm or wrist. This is life.

(Back to trigger warnings)...if that individual is so sensitive that reading a piece of literature, attending a lecture, or being asked a question is enough to <insert destructive action here>, then perhaps they shouldn't be out in the world at all. The solution does not rest with changing the world to suit them in their fragile state, but helping them grow beyond that fragile state to be suitable for the world.

~Jeordam


At the end of the day I want to see actual studies. Millions of people are going to colleges/universities. I need to see how many are negatively affected before I come down on any one side about these trigger warnings.

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Why Are [SOME] Millennials Wary of Freedom? - 16/10/2017 07:16:47 PM 2757 Views
Good article. - 16/10/2017 08:05:48 PM 1213 Views
Indeed it is a pathology of fear. - 17/10/2017 01:59:24 AM 1092 Views
This makes me especially sad. - 17/10/2017 12:47:51 PM 1102 Views
never thought of it that way but excellent points *NM* - 17/10/2017 03:31:51 AM 712 Views
Definitely a possibility. - 17/10/2017 12:46:42 PM 1107 Views
I totally agree on there being fewer causes for fear. - 17/10/2017 06:39:38 PM 1113 Views
Wait...you said *Rubio* was trying to push a positive, hopeful message? RUBIO? - 17/10/2017 08:22:40 PM 1059 Views
Maybe I shouldn't have omitted the disclaimer about his foreign policy. - 17/10/2017 08:33:37 PM 1098 Views
Ok, fair enough - 17/10/2017 09:15:14 PM 1011 Views
Do we still have WSE points? I was quite the mogul in the waning days of WoTmania. *NM* - 16/10/2017 11:36:00 PM 684 Views
/me steals your WSE points. *NM* - 17/10/2017 12:48:08 PM 653 Views
Interesting - 16/10/2017 11:46:32 PM 1070 Views
Old dude, you make a good point, too. - 17/10/2017 02:01:29 AM 1080 Views
Authority for Authority sake is just as Mores-less as No Respect for Authority - 17/10/2017 06:07:15 AM 1171 Views
All generations experienced different cultures with different views *NM* - 17/10/2017 11:41:40 AM 611 Views
Agreed but there is a difference in severity between 1997 to 2017 vs 997 to 1017 *NM* - 18/10/2017 05:52:14 AM 628 Views
but less than 1900 vs 1920 - 18/10/2017 02:27:59 PM 1008 Views
I still have hope - 17/10/2017 12:50:35 PM 1163 Views
I shall endeavor to combine Tom'n'Mookie's theories into one grand theory of... - 17/10/2017 02:15:48 AM 1160 Views
This article agrees with your assessment - 17/10/2017 02:30:03 PM 1212 Views
I appreciate your amendment. - 17/10/2017 03:14:19 AM 1400 Views
no it is just hard to see the problem from the inside - 17/10/2017 11:51:08 AM 1092 Views
Re: no it is just hard to see the problem from the inside - uh, yes. - 17/10/2017 01:44:26 PM 1153 Views
Most of us are very good at that - 17/10/2017 08:24:50 PM 1099 Views
Thanks. - 17/10/2017 01:00:42 PM 1001 Views
I disagree with relation to trigger warnings. - 17/10/2017 11:17:45 PM 1093 Views
A fair point. - Still, how far will you extend them? - 18/10/2017 12:47:50 AM 1043 Views
I don't know, but I'm not entirely sure it's a big deal either way. - 18/10/2017 02:56:09 AM 985 Views
Nods - 18/10/2017 03:17:17 AM 1020 Views
And I would posit that no work of literature should have any trigger warnings. - 18/10/2017 01:02:44 PM 1222 Views
Re: And I would posit that no work of literature should have any trigger warnings. - 18/10/2017 08:48:01 PM 1134 Views
How would you propose such warnings be worded? - 18/10/2017 09:21:02 PM 1086 Views
Do you know a lot of people who suffer from PTSD? - 19/10/2017 05:26:06 AM 1274 Views
Stop. Now. - 19/10/2017 06:21:13 AM 1000 Views
Avoidance isn't the purpose of those warnings, though. - 19/10/2017 06:32:16 AM 1024 Views
You would ruin the literature though. And discussions around the literature. - 19/10/2017 01:21:20 PM 1101 Views
That's reasonable. - 19/10/2017 11:58:56 PM 1074 Views
Well argument settled becuase they already exist - 23/10/2017 01:46:55 PM 980 Views
Yeah but they don't necessarily exist for works of literature usually read at the university level - 24/10/2017 12:28:35 PM 1019 Views
That is true but it could fixed if there was more demand - 24/10/2017 10:00:21 PM 1013 Views
I feel like I now need a trigger warning for trigger warnings. *NM* - 25/10/2017 12:48:47 PM 649 Views
Fuck you Tom - 19/10/2017 07:06:47 AM 1195 Views
Oh come on... - 19/10/2017 05:12:46 PM 1145 Views
Oh please - 19/10/2017 02:10:11 PM 1130 Views
Re: Oh please - 20/10/2017 12:01:02 AM 1074 Views
I'm just gonna put this out there... - 20/10/2017 07:24:55 PM 1083 Views
Eh, I don't think that's accurate. - 21/10/2017 07:04:58 AM 970 Views
An unnecessary tool.... - 23/10/2017 05:14:06 PM 1026 Views
Why does this reasoning apply to PTSD but not to other diseases? PTSD is a physical issue. - 24/10/2017 12:33:31 AM 990 Views
I would challenge that statment.... - 24/10/2017 05:14:17 PM 1198 Views
Do you actually believe those examples are valid? *NM* - 23/10/2017 07:32:59 PM 576 Views
Agreed. - 19/10/2017 06:16:33 AM 1136 Views
Interesting article. - 17/10/2017 07:41:34 PM 1056 Views
Why are some HUMANS wary of freedom? - 17/10/2017 05:31:04 AM 1035 Views
Maybe the victimhood thing is another kind of honor - 17/10/2017 01:02:43 PM 1117 Views
Because it's easier to absolve oneself of power sometimes. For those people anyway. - 17/10/2017 01:10:41 PM 1038 Views
I apologize before hand - 18/10/2017 01:11:59 AM 1060 Views
I haven't read all the comments, so I apologize if I'm doubling up - 17/10/2017 01:06:00 PM 1261 Views
Oh those echo chambers. - 17/10/2017 01:16:40 PM 1181 Views
I hate blaming things - 17/10/2017 02:04:44 PM 1234 Views
I'm not even sure "echo chamber" is the right phrase - 17/10/2017 02:17:07 PM 1171 Views
I'm not sure that is the most common choice. - 17/10/2017 05:21:52 PM 1252 Views
I get irritated too. But I still keep them in my news feed as well. - 17/10/2017 08:49:45 PM 1049 Views
Je ne regrette rien. My memes are both spicy and piquant. *NM* - 17/10/2017 11:20:55 PM 602 Views
I'm of Russian extraction. I like my food bland. Garlic, dill, salt, pepper. It's enough for me. - 18/10/2017 12:52:27 AM 1005 Views
You know, I'd not thought about that. - 18/10/2017 03:07:05 AM 1097 Views
I find him intriguing as a Captain. - 18/10/2017 01:09:07 PM 1190 Views
So now we are at episode 6 - 24/10/2017 12:31:06 PM 953 Views
6 was by far the best episode of the series. *NM* - 24/10/2017 08:07:55 PM 579 Views
Yes - 25/10/2017 12:50:15 PM 1006 Views
But are your Memes brothy and fully of Umami? - 18/10/2017 01:17:07 AM 964 Views
Umami is an irritating word *NM* - 18/10/2017 04:59:21 PM 526 Views
Yes, ohdaddy is a much better word. *NM* - 18/10/2017 05:15:48 PM 636 Views
*NM* - 18/10/2017 05:39:12 PM 575 Views
*NM* - 18/10/2017 06:27:31 PM 557 Views
I do think some of this is specifically American and to a lesser extent the rest of the Anglosphere. - 17/10/2017 06:26:33 PM 1072 Views
Agreed with all your points. - 17/10/2017 08:53:23 PM 1092 Views
The Netherlands, I'm not so sure about. - 17/10/2017 11:43:54 PM 1064 Views
My apologies. I see Dutch and don't think of Belgium. - 18/10/2017 12:56:26 AM 1100 Views
That's alright. This is a confusing country in many ways. - 18/10/2017 08:58:15 PM 1075 Views
America and to a lesser extent the rest of the Anglosphere puts a higher valuer on liberty *NM* - 19/10/2017 01:53:50 PM 622 Views
Yes, in some ways it does. *NM* - 19/10/2017 05:38:41 PM 602 Views
Simple, true fredom is includes the freedom to fail - 20/10/2017 05:43:13 PM 1102 Views
Re: Simple, true fredom is/includes the freedom to fail *NM* - 20/10/2017 05:45:51 PM 643 Views
Yes it is the freedom to fail - 20/10/2017 06:36:02 PM 1127 Views
This entire thread was so awesome.... - 20/10/2017 07:12:46 PM 1097 Views
Jeo I think you in particular will appreciate this - 20/10/2017 09:07:39 PM 1046 Views
Interesting.....wisdom from on high.... - 20/10/2017 09:58:36 PM 948 Views
damn it *NM* - 20/10/2017 09:07:39 PM 529 Views
I think a lot of us are thinking about trigger warnings differently. - 21/10/2017 07:07:01 AM 1048 Views
Maybe, maybe not... - 23/10/2017 05:18:16 PM 999 Views
Glad you enjoyed it and that it provoked thought. - 23/10/2017 02:32:57 PM 1041 Views
I see this as... - 23/10/2017 05:23:54 PM 997 Views
I kind of break them down into two types - 22/10/2017 03:25:04 AM 1145 Views
I wonder how much the fall of communism has to do with this? - 24/10/2017 10:20:16 PM 1059 Views
Definitely more than a bit. - 25/10/2017 12:51:55 PM 971 Views

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