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Third party website? I fully support that. The Shrike Send a noteboard - 20/10/2017 12:41:33 PM

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View original postClearly you're not arguing for bans on the book, but you are arguing that seeing things in literature will create uncomfortable situations for people. I would need to see scientific studies about what these people feel. Control groups. I can't accept your arguments as they stand now because it could be based on the feelings of a few while the majority (I am only thinking of the people with the PTSD here) may not have such a negative reaction.

I can respect this, but my response is that people without PTSD simply wouldn't read the trigger warning page, much like how I don't read the page about how a book is a third edition published in 1964 and has an ISBN number and is copyrighted.

Another, perhaps simpler solution, is to simply have a website that catalogues media and provides these warnings. That way a person could seek it out if they feel it necessary to be forewarned, while others would not have it spoiled. What is your opinion on that?


That way people worried about their reactions have the choice to go visit the page. And that way the story is not spoiled for everyone else. People right now can go to Wikipedia to read the entire plot if they want to so having a third party website doesn't seem that far from that.

I still would like to see studies done - and since we are using PTSD - ask what the men and women (in whatever capacity they served such as front line nurses, etc) who fought in WWII, Korea, Vietnam, and Iraq thought about the literature they were reading. Presumably none of the books had trigger warnings when the former military personnel read those books.

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Re: And I would posit that no work of literature should have any trigger warnings. Ghavrel - 18/10/2017 08:48:01 PM 909 Views
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