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Oh those echo chambers. The Shrike Send a noteboard - 17/10/2017 01:16:40 PM

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But I'm not convinced it's fear. It feels more like overconfidence that they know what's Right. And if one is so sure something is correct, why would the other side need a say? Particularly if it's offensive or potentially hurtful to friends? They are likely to believe it's being said TO offend, rather than add value to the conversation.

I remember feeling very certain of many things when I was younger (marriage is for men and women, for one), but I didn't have social media or the ability to wrap myself in an echo chamber or bubble. I had a very outspoken family, and wotmania, aka: every opinion any kind of person has ever had in one place. I almost can't remember the original me.


I can empathize with how you perceive yourself to have changed. I too have changed. I used to be a militant atheist (Soviet parents, NYC raised) and now am much more accepting of religions, especially the good influence of Christianity. Yes, no religion is perfect but there are so many good people who practice religions that I can't be them anymore. People at Wotmania helped me become a better person; a more open minded person.

I do wonder if those echo chambers are part of the problem. We only see a part of the world rather than the entire world. We can choose our news. We can then choose our friends. We can do so much choosing that when we see a part of the world we think its the entire world. And so when we see glimpses of the worlds outside our bubble we are shocked react negatively. Perhaps it is fear of the unknown. Perhaps its a lack of tolerance. Perhaps its all those issues together to combine together to create the problem.

But as long as there we accept that there may be a problem and talk about it then we can at least think about ways forward that fix the issues.

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Why Are [SOME] Millennials Wary of Freedom? - 16/10/2017 07:16:47 PM 2266 Views
Good article. - 16/10/2017 08:05:48 PM 825 Views
Indeed it is a pathology of fear. - 17/10/2017 01:59:24 AM 744 Views
This makes me especially sad. - 17/10/2017 12:47:51 PM 677 Views
never thought of it that way but excellent points *NM* - 17/10/2017 03:31:51 AM 519 Views
Definitely a possibility. - 17/10/2017 12:46:42 PM 679 Views
Do we still have WSE points? I was quite the mogul in the waning days of WoTmania. *NM* - 16/10/2017 11:36:00 PM 471 Views
/me steals your WSE points. *NM* - 17/10/2017 12:48:08 PM 449 Views
Interesting - 16/10/2017 11:46:32 PM 737 Views
Old dude, you make a good point, too. - 17/10/2017 02:01:29 AM 690 Views
Authority for Authority sake is just as Mores-less as No Respect for Authority - 17/10/2017 06:07:15 AM 764 Views
All generations experienced different cultures with different views *NM* - 17/10/2017 11:41:40 AM 433 Views
Agreed but there is a difference in severity between 1997 to 2017 vs 997 to 1017 *NM* - 18/10/2017 05:52:14 AM 445 Views
but less than 1900 vs 1920 - 18/10/2017 02:27:59 PM 652 Views
I still have hope - 17/10/2017 12:50:35 PM 753 Views
I shall endeavor to combine Tom'n'Mookie's theories into one grand theory of... - 17/10/2017 02:15:48 AM 719 Views
This article agrees with your assessment - 17/10/2017 02:30:03 PM 789 Views
I appreciate your amendment. - 17/10/2017 03:14:19 AM 976 Views
no it is just hard to see the problem from the inside - 17/10/2017 11:51:08 AM 692 Views
Re: no it is just hard to see the problem from the inside - uh, yes. - 17/10/2017 01:44:26 PM 711 Views
Most of us are very good at that - 17/10/2017 08:24:50 PM 710 Views
Thanks. - 17/10/2017 01:00:42 PM 640 Views
I disagree with relation to trigger warnings. - 17/10/2017 11:17:45 PM 702 Views
A fair point. - Still, how far will you extend them? - 18/10/2017 12:47:50 AM 674 Views
I don't know, but I'm not entirely sure it's a big deal either way. - 18/10/2017 02:56:09 AM 626 Views
Nods - 18/10/2017 03:17:17 AM 649 Views
And I would posit that no work of literature should have any trigger warnings. - 18/10/2017 01:02:44 PM 825 Views
Re: And I would posit that no work of literature should have any trigger warnings. - 18/10/2017 08:48:01 PM 704 Views
How would you propose such warnings be worded? - 18/10/2017 09:21:02 PM 694 Views
Do you know a lot of people who suffer from PTSD? - 19/10/2017 05:26:06 AM 853 Views
Stop. Now. - 19/10/2017 06:21:13 AM 634 Views
Avoidance isn't the purpose of those warnings, though. - 19/10/2017 06:32:16 AM 673 Views
You would ruin the literature though. And discussions around the literature. - 19/10/2017 01:21:20 PM 701 Views
That's reasonable. - 19/10/2017 11:58:56 PM 667 Views
Well argument settled becuase they already exist - 23/10/2017 01:46:55 PM 600 Views
Fuck you Tom - 19/10/2017 07:06:47 AM 791 Views
Oh come on... - 19/10/2017 05:12:46 PM 691 Views
Oh please - 19/10/2017 02:10:11 PM 771 Views
Re: Oh please - 20/10/2017 12:01:02 AM 724 Views
I'm just gonna put this out there... - 20/10/2017 07:24:55 PM 673 Views
Eh, I don't think that's accurate. - 21/10/2017 07:04:58 AM 607 Views
An unnecessary tool.... - 23/10/2017 05:14:06 PM 617 Views
Why does this reasoning apply to PTSD but not to other diseases? PTSD is a physical issue. - 24/10/2017 12:33:31 AM 628 Views
I would challenge that statment.... - 24/10/2017 05:14:17 PM 802 Views
Do you actually believe those examples are valid? *NM* - 23/10/2017 07:32:59 PM 399 Views
Agreed. - 19/10/2017 06:16:33 AM 779 Views
Interesting article. - 17/10/2017 07:41:34 PM 701 Views
Why are some HUMANS wary of freedom? - 17/10/2017 05:31:04 AM 648 Views
Maybe the victimhood thing is another kind of honor - 17/10/2017 01:02:43 PM 722 Views
Because it's easier to absolve oneself of power sometimes. For those people anyway. - 17/10/2017 01:10:41 PM 656 Views
I apologize before hand - 18/10/2017 01:11:59 AM 656 Views
I haven't read all the comments, so I apologize if I'm doubling up - 17/10/2017 01:06:00 PM 816 Views
Oh those echo chambers. - 17/10/2017 01:16:40 PM 752 Views
I hate blaming things - 17/10/2017 02:04:44 PM 757 Views
I'm not even sure "echo chamber" is the right phrase - 17/10/2017 02:17:07 PM 770 Views
I'm not sure that is the most common choice. - 17/10/2017 05:21:52 PM 816 Views
I get irritated too. But I still keep them in my news feed as well. - 17/10/2017 08:49:45 PM 655 Views
Je ne regrette rien. My memes are both spicy and piquant. *NM* - 17/10/2017 11:20:55 PM 391 Views
I'm of Russian extraction. I like my food bland. Garlic, dill, salt, pepper. It's enough for me. - 18/10/2017 12:52:27 AM 652 Views
You know, I'd not thought about that. - 18/10/2017 03:07:05 AM 696 Views
I find him intriguing as a Captain. - 18/10/2017 01:09:07 PM 637 Views
So now we are at episode 6 - 24/10/2017 12:31:06 PM 570 Views
6 was by far the best episode of the series. *NM* - 24/10/2017 08:07:55 PM 408 Views
Yes - 25/10/2017 12:50:15 PM 657 Views
But are your Memes brothy and fully of Umami? - 18/10/2017 01:17:07 AM 597 Views
Umami is an irritating word *NM* - 18/10/2017 04:59:21 PM 369 Views
Yes, ohdaddy is a much better word. *NM* - 18/10/2017 05:15:48 PM 469 Views
*NM* - 18/10/2017 05:39:12 PM 398 Views
*NM* - 18/10/2017 06:27:31 PM 386 Views
I do think some of this is specifically American and to a lesser extent the rest of the Anglosphere. - 17/10/2017 06:26:33 PM 711 Views
Agreed with all your points. - 17/10/2017 08:53:23 PM 693 Views
The Netherlands, I'm not so sure about. - 17/10/2017 11:43:54 PM 681 Views
My apologies. I see Dutch and don't think of Belgium. - 18/10/2017 12:56:26 AM 683 Views
That's alright. This is a confusing country in many ways. - 18/10/2017 08:58:15 PM 663 Views
America and to a lesser extent the rest of the Anglosphere puts a higher valuer on liberty *NM* - 19/10/2017 01:53:50 PM 422 Views
Yes, in some ways it does. *NM* - 19/10/2017 05:38:41 PM 433 Views
Simple, true fredom is includes the freedom to fail - 20/10/2017 05:43:13 PM 720 Views
Re: Simple, true fredom is/includes the freedom to fail *NM* - 20/10/2017 05:45:51 PM 461 Views
Yes it is the freedom to fail - 20/10/2017 06:36:02 PM 722 Views
This entire thread was so awesome.... - 20/10/2017 07:12:46 PM 757 Views
Jeo I think you in particular will appreciate this - 20/10/2017 09:07:39 PM 675 Views
Interesting.....wisdom from on high.... - 20/10/2017 09:58:36 PM 596 Views
damn it *NM* - 20/10/2017 09:07:39 PM 366 Views
I think a lot of us are thinking about trigger warnings differently. - 21/10/2017 07:07:01 AM 678 Views
Maybe, maybe not... - 23/10/2017 05:18:16 PM 579 Views
Glad you enjoyed it and that it provoked thought. - 23/10/2017 02:32:57 PM 655 Views
I see this as... - 23/10/2017 05:23:54 PM 637 Views
I kind of break them down into two types - 22/10/2017 03:25:04 AM 743 Views
I wonder how much the fall of communism has to do with this? - 24/10/2017 10:20:16 PM 710 Views
Definitely more than a bit. - 25/10/2017 12:51:55 PM 605 Views

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