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Why are some HUMANS wary of freedom? Roland00 Send a noteboard - 17/10/2017 05:31:04 AM

Different research study, but literally just today, the Pew R

News Report and a few graphs

http://www.pewglobal.org/2017/10/16/globally-broad-support-for-representative-and-direct-democracy/

Full Report
http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/10/13164509/Pew-Research-Center_Democracy-Report_2017.10.16.pdf

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As you can see in the report, all nations have some people that are completely unsatisfied and also another group of people who are partially satisfied with various form of democracy (the report has different questions like direct democracy vs representative democracy).

What I am saying is there is always going to be a group of people who are not satisfied and thus I think it is SCAPEGOATING to blame this on a specific demographic such as age like Millennials, but also the same for specific other group like country, race, religion, gender, and so on.

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On a side note that is unconnected to Greg's article and it is just something I been thinking in the back of my mind. I am not a cultural or social anthropologist and my reading and thus my knowledge of this is limited.

But in the past some people have broken down different cultures and nations at different periods of time into groups like

1) Nations based around an Honor Code and people have to continue maintain Honor / Honour / Face in the eyes of others

2) Nations based around the idea of Rule of Law / Inherent Dignity of Individuals

And some people will now add a 3rd category of a culture of Victimhood, based around Microsaggressions / Transgressions though I am skeptical of much I have read around this 3rd group for these people can't seem to define their categories and it is very vague and nefarious.




So my question is what happens to the idea of Democracy and such when people are unsatisfied with the status quo and they feel the need to change? For example electing a person who says they want to return the country based around the value of Honor (group 1) instead of the current status quo of Rule of Law / Inherent Dignity of Individuals which you do not need to prove (group 2)? And so on?

What happens in the microterms, micro being the space of weeks, months, years, and time less than a decade? I want to seperate times greater than 10 years and see that timeframe as macro and you have to use a different style of language which is generational, where people and the culture is being reborn and you should not see your own humanity and individuality as it was 10 years prior, you are a different individual than your older self and the same thing is true for culture in 10+ year timescales.

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Now all of the questions I was asking and such is not really about culture of honor vs culture of law / dignity it is instead really about why these cultures often come about. People in the anthropology have theories that ideas about renewal, like can you recover and can you advance in the society do to mistakes, due to people who prey onto other people, can you gain wealth and social prestige, etc influences what type of value systems that the collective population treasure and what happens when the fundamentals underneath it all change and thus people put more emphasis on specific values instead of other values for humans use a multiple value system (for example life, liberty, and property, but there are far more than those 3 but even those 3 can't be defined by a single word / thought for you have to go multiple value system for life is complicated.)

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Why Are [SOME] Millennials Wary of Freedom? - 16/10/2017 07:16:47 PM 2268 Views
Good article. - 16/10/2017 08:05:48 PM 825 Views
Indeed it is a pathology of fear. - 17/10/2017 01:59:24 AM 745 Views
This makes me especially sad. - 17/10/2017 12:47:51 PM 677 Views
never thought of it that way but excellent points *NM* - 17/10/2017 03:31:51 AM 519 Views
Definitely a possibility. - 17/10/2017 12:46:42 PM 681 Views
Do we still have WSE points? I was quite the mogul in the waning days of WoTmania. *NM* - 16/10/2017 11:36:00 PM 471 Views
/me steals your WSE points. *NM* - 17/10/2017 12:48:08 PM 450 Views
Interesting - 16/10/2017 11:46:32 PM 737 Views
Old dude, you make a good point, too. - 17/10/2017 02:01:29 AM 690 Views
Authority for Authority sake is just as Mores-less as No Respect for Authority - 17/10/2017 06:07:15 AM 765 Views
All generations experienced different cultures with different views *NM* - 17/10/2017 11:41:40 AM 433 Views
Agreed but there is a difference in severity between 1997 to 2017 vs 997 to 1017 *NM* - 18/10/2017 05:52:14 AM 445 Views
but less than 1900 vs 1920 - 18/10/2017 02:27:59 PM 654 Views
I still have hope - 17/10/2017 12:50:35 PM 754 Views
I shall endeavor to combine Tom'n'Mookie's theories into one grand theory of... - 17/10/2017 02:15:48 AM 720 Views
This article agrees with your assessment - 17/10/2017 02:30:03 PM 790 Views
I appreciate your amendment. - 17/10/2017 03:14:19 AM 977 Views
no it is just hard to see the problem from the inside - 17/10/2017 11:51:08 AM 692 Views
Re: no it is just hard to see the problem from the inside - uh, yes. - 17/10/2017 01:44:26 PM 711 Views
Most of us are very good at that - 17/10/2017 08:24:50 PM 711 Views
Thanks. - 17/10/2017 01:00:42 PM 642 Views
I disagree with relation to trigger warnings. - 17/10/2017 11:17:45 PM 704 Views
A fair point. - Still, how far will you extend them? - 18/10/2017 12:47:50 AM 675 Views
I don't know, but I'm not entirely sure it's a big deal either way. - 18/10/2017 02:56:09 AM 628 Views
Nods - 18/10/2017 03:17:17 AM 651 Views
And I would posit that no work of literature should have any trigger warnings. - 18/10/2017 01:02:44 PM 827 Views
Re: And I would posit that no work of literature should have any trigger warnings. - 18/10/2017 08:48:01 PM 704 Views
How would you propose such warnings be worded? - 18/10/2017 09:21:02 PM 695 Views
Do you know a lot of people who suffer from PTSD? - 19/10/2017 05:26:06 AM 854 Views
Stop. Now. - 19/10/2017 06:21:13 AM 634 Views
Avoidance isn't the purpose of those warnings, though. - 19/10/2017 06:32:16 AM 674 Views
You would ruin the literature though. And discussions around the literature. - 19/10/2017 01:21:20 PM 702 Views
That's reasonable. - 19/10/2017 11:58:56 PM 668 Views
Well argument settled becuase they already exist - 23/10/2017 01:46:55 PM 602 Views
Fuck you Tom - 19/10/2017 07:06:47 AM 792 Views
Oh come on... - 19/10/2017 05:12:46 PM 693 Views
Oh please - 19/10/2017 02:10:11 PM 771 Views
Re: Oh please - 20/10/2017 12:01:02 AM 725 Views
I'm just gonna put this out there... - 20/10/2017 07:24:55 PM 674 Views
Eh, I don't think that's accurate. - 21/10/2017 07:04:58 AM 607 Views
An unnecessary tool.... - 23/10/2017 05:14:06 PM 618 Views
Why does this reasoning apply to PTSD but not to other diseases? PTSD is a physical issue. - 24/10/2017 12:33:31 AM 628 Views
I would challenge that statment.... - 24/10/2017 05:14:17 PM 802 Views
Do you actually believe those examples are valid? *NM* - 23/10/2017 07:32:59 PM 399 Views
Agreed. - 19/10/2017 06:16:33 AM 780 Views
Interesting article. - 17/10/2017 07:41:34 PM 701 Views
Why are some HUMANS wary of freedom? - 17/10/2017 05:31:04 AM 650 Views
Maybe the victimhood thing is another kind of honor - 17/10/2017 01:02:43 PM 723 Views
Because it's easier to absolve oneself of power sometimes. For those people anyway. - 17/10/2017 01:10:41 PM 657 Views
I apologize before hand - 18/10/2017 01:11:59 AM 656 Views
I haven't read all the comments, so I apologize if I'm doubling up - 17/10/2017 01:06:00 PM 816 Views
Oh those echo chambers. - 17/10/2017 01:16:40 PM 752 Views
I hate blaming things - 17/10/2017 02:04:44 PM 757 Views
I'm not even sure "echo chamber" is the right phrase - 17/10/2017 02:17:07 PM 770 Views
I'm not sure that is the most common choice. - 17/10/2017 05:21:52 PM 816 Views
I get irritated too. But I still keep them in my news feed as well. - 17/10/2017 08:49:45 PM 656 Views
Je ne regrette rien. My memes are both spicy and piquant. *NM* - 17/10/2017 11:20:55 PM 391 Views
I'm of Russian extraction. I like my food bland. Garlic, dill, salt, pepper. It's enough for me. - 18/10/2017 12:52:27 AM 653 Views
You know, I'd not thought about that. - 18/10/2017 03:07:05 AM 697 Views
I find him intriguing as a Captain. - 18/10/2017 01:09:07 PM 637 Views
So now we are at episode 6 - 24/10/2017 12:31:06 PM 571 Views
6 was by far the best episode of the series. *NM* - 24/10/2017 08:07:55 PM 408 Views
Yes - 25/10/2017 12:50:15 PM 659 Views
But are your Memes brothy and fully of Umami? - 18/10/2017 01:17:07 AM 597 Views
Umami is an irritating word *NM* - 18/10/2017 04:59:21 PM 369 Views
Yes, ohdaddy is a much better word. *NM* - 18/10/2017 05:15:48 PM 469 Views
*NM* - 18/10/2017 05:39:12 PM 398 Views
*NM* - 18/10/2017 06:27:31 PM 386 Views
I do think some of this is specifically American and to a lesser extent the rest of the Anglosphere. - 17/10/2017 06:26:33 PM 713 Views
Agreed with all your points. - 17/10/2017 08:53:23 PM 695 Views
The Netherlands, I'm not so sure about. - 17/10/2017 11:43:54 PM 683 Views
My apologies. I see Dutch and don't think of Belgium. - 18/10/2017 12:56:26 AM 683 Views
That's alright. This is a confusing country in many ways. - 18/10/2017 08:58:15 PM 663 Views
America and to a lesser extent the rest of the Anglosphere puts a higher valuer on liberty *NM* - 19/10/2017 01:53:50 PM 422 Views
Yes, in some ways it does. *NM* - 19/10/2017 05:38:41 PM 433 Views
Simple, true fredom is includes the freedom to fail - 20/10/2017 05:43:13 PM 720 Views
Re: Simple, true fredom is/includes the freedom to fail *NM* - 20/10/2017 05:45:51 PM 461 Views
Yes it is the freedom to fail - 20/10/2017 06:36:02 PM 722 Views
This entire thread was so awesome.... - 20/10/2017 07:12:46 PM 758 Views
Jeo I think you in particular will appreciate this - 20/10/2017 09:07:39 PM 676 Views
Interesting.....wisdom from on high.... - 20/10/2017 09:58:36 PM 596 Views
damn it *NM* - 20/10/2017 09:07:39 PM 366 Views
I think a lot of us are thinking about trigger warnings differently. - 21/10/2017 07:07:01 AM 678 Views
Maybe, maybe not... - 23/10/2017 05:18:16 PM 580 Views
Glad you enjoyed it and that it provoked thought. - 23/10/2017 02:32:57 PM 656 Views
I see this as... - 23/10/2017 05:23:54 PM 637 Views
I kind of break them down into two types - 22/10/2017 03:25:04 AM 744 Views
I wonder how much the fall of communism has to do with this? - 24/10/2017 10:20:16 PM 711 Views
Definitely more than a bit. - 25/10/2017 12:51:55 PM 606 Views

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