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Ocean Spray is not a socialist venture in any way that I can see. Tom Send a noteboard - 25/09/2017 01:45:44 AM

It's a cooperative of grower-owners. I don't believe that the people who pick the fruit for the growers are in charge of the company. Cooperatives are voluntary associations of owners, much like agricultural storage cooperatives set up in the Midwest to help owner-farmers take advantage of grain price fluctuations. Calling that "socialism" is like calling support of free speech "fascism".

Next thing I know you're going to say that factoring agreements are socialism too, along with insurance and retirement plans.

Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

Ummaka qinnassa nīk!

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such as? Jeordam - 21/09/2017 08:16:48 PM 623 Views
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He's right on socialism Tom - 25/09/2017 12:42:26 AM 541 Views
What about market socialism? Coops are decently popular. Ocean Spray is doing fine. *NM* Ghavrel - 25/09/2017 01:28:19 AM 301 Views
Ocean Spray is not a socialist venture in any way that I can see. Tom - 25/09/2017 01:45:44 AM 601 Views
Sure, by the original meaning of the word. Legolas - 25/09/2017 05:22:50 PM 546 Views
People misuse words all the time (cf. ironic). That's their problem. Tom - 25/09/2017 07:25:55 PM 557 Views
I'm making the argument... Legolas - 26/09/2017 07:12:56 PM 628 Views
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...democratic... fascism? *NM* Ghavrel - 26/09/2017 08:22:36 PM 306 Views
Sure aerocontrols - 26/09/2017 08:32:17 PM 551 Views
It's an interesting idea. Ghavrel - 27/09/2017 02:19:19 AM 537 Views
Sounds like Singapore to me. *NM* aerocontrols - 27/09/2017 02:33:06 AM 287 Views
See, I wouldn't call Singapore democratic. Ghavrel - 27/09/2017 05:03:14 AM 485 Views
Did you see their hilarious presidential 'election' recently? *NM* Legolas - 27/09/2017 07:55:15 AM 334 Views
*shrug* aerocontrols - 27/09/2017 01:05:47 PM 513 Views
I think that's a weakness of your spectrum argument, though. Ghavrel - 27/09/2017 11:06:16 PM 452 Views
the non military is the further stretch random thoughts - 27/09/2017 02:16:03 PM 541 Views
lol aerocontrols - 27/09/2017 02:37:00 PM 523 Views
Hmm. Legolas - 27/09/2017 06:52:46 PM 541 Views
Almost missed this reply, hiding down here. aerocontrols - 27/09/2017 09:40:41 PM 501 Views
Uh. You say no, but what follows makes it sound like yes? Legolas - 27/09/2017 11:42:11 PM 589 Views
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Which you then did your best to prove? Thank you for that, by the way. Legolas - 27/09/2017 09:13:28 PM 595 Views
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As if there wasn't enough getting and not getting in this thread already. Pick one! Legolas - 27/09/2017 12:13:13 AM 605 Views
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It is? Like what? Legolas - 25/09/2017 06:37:01 PM 518 Views
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That's a good point. Legolas - 26/09/2017 06:44:13 PM 489 Views
I get it.... Jeordam - 26/09/2017 09:00:35 PM 472 Views
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Re: It is? Like what? ßelals Girl - 26/09/2017 02:08:17 PM 569 Views
Trump lost credibility to me on the 'anti-PC' / 'pro free speech' issue aerocontrols - 26/09/2017 07:54:06 PM 483 Views
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Re: Yeah. And not just Trump. aerocontrols - 27/09/2017 02:27:40 AM 500 Views
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Re: You said something similar a while back. And really, I just don't get it. Cannoli - 22/09/2017 11:59:19 PM 545 Views
He was in town today, stumping for Luther Strange aerocontrols - 23/09/2017 03:58:49 AM 567 Views
You're an Alabamian, huh? Me too! TyrReborn - 26/09/2017 06:05:24 PM 454 Views
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