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Now I'm curious. Legolas Send a noteboard - 21/09/2017 09:40:32 PM

View original postSo I'm saying this strictly just from my layman's point of view on world politics and such. I'm an average American with nothing extraordinary or anything like that. Mostly conservative, but strangely liberal about some things. Strong in my faith, but that's my faith and the way that I live my life.

Strangely liberal about what, for example?
View original postIran: I am totally ok with him calling them out and not our own allies. Why? Because Iran is not our ally! You deal with both situations differently. Much like disciplining a child. If its your child you take one approach, if it's not your child, you take a whole other approach (imagine you're baby sitting or something). Secondly, that treaty is a piece of trash. Especially since they aren't even honoring it.

But to run with your disciplining children analogy, keep in mind that in this case you're doing it in public, with everybody looking at you. And that you have a vested interest in at least seeming to be fair and even-handed, because otherwise people will lose respect for your judgement on other matters as well.

Such as your judgement, case in point, on this nuclear deal. We'll ignore Russia and China because, well, they're not much of a reference and support horrible regimes like Assad's. But also Germany, France, the UK are saying Iran is complying. Some of your Republican senators who fought the deal tooth and nail at the time Obama made it, are now actually saying Iran is complying. Sure, they add in the next breath that Iran is doing plenty of other things they don't like - but those other things weren't conditions of the deal. If Trump walks away from that deal, he will have empowered the hardliners in Iran, antagonized Europe, lost American credibility, and for what?

View original postVenezuela: Ok with this too. Look at what is happening there...corruption, socialism, and the fact that their single biggest resource is on it's way to not having the commodity strength it once had...and the country is falling apart.

Like I said, I'm fine with harsh words against Venezuela as well. But unfortunately Trump has put himself in a position where his words on that topic aren't taken as seriously as they should be. But I'll grant you that the problem was more with that previous speech of his than with this particular passage.
View original post"Major portions of the world are in conflict and some, in fact, are going to hell": Calling it like he sees it. North Korea is a good example. South Sudan is another one. Venezuela is going post apocalyptic all on its own. Those would be some that are actually going to hell. Many places are in conflict (Myanmar, Islamic State areas, Israel/Palestine, and Western Europe is a hot mess of consistent terror attacks).

Western Europe still has fewer people dying violent deaths than the US does. I wouldn't exactly call it in conflict. But this was a point where I already figured we wouldn't agree.
View original postAs for your last paragraph...I'm more then happy with that. I'm pleased with that. He isn't the President of the World. His goal isn't to be popular overseas. He is President of the United States. We should come first. I am not apologetic about that. Where people can cooperate for the benefit of all....sure. But if push comes to shove, I'm picking America over <insert country here>. Think of it like being on an airplane when the oxygen masks come down. You put your mask on first, then help someone else. This is us putting our oxygen mask on first.

Sure, here as well we'll have to agree to disagree.

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Pretty sure - 24/09/2017 11:07:00 PM 488 Views
that is funny - 21/09/2017 07:03:17 PM 562 Views
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Oh, and just to add... - 21/09/2017 07:55:35 PM 521 Views
such as? - 21/09/2017 08:16:48 PM 594 Views
Alright, let's see. - 21/09/2017 08:46:43 PM 565 Views
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Now I'm curious. - 21/09/2017 09:40:32 PM 438 Views
Sure, I'll bite... - 21/09/2017 10:07:00 PM 485 Views
He's right on socialism - 25/09/2017 12:42:26 AM 475 Views
Sure, by the original meaning of the word. - 25/09/2017 05:22:50 PM 486 Views
People misuse words all the time (cf. ironic). That's their problem. - 25/09/2017 07:25:55 PM 497 Views
I'm making the argument... - 26/09/2017 07:12:56 PM 568 Views
Socialists are taking it back - 26/09/2017 08:03:39 PM 508 Views
...democratic... fascism? *NM* - 26/09/2017 08:22:36 PM 276 Views
Sure - 26/09/2017 08:32:17 PM 489 Views
It's an interesting idea. - 27/09/2017 02:19:19 AM 481 Views
Sounds like Singapore to me. *NM* - 27/09/2017 02:33:06 AM 264 Views
See, I wouldn't call Singapore democratic. - 27/09/2017 05:03:14 AM 424 Views
Did you see their hilarious presidential 'election' recently? *NM* - 27/09/2017 07:55:15 AM 311 Views
*shrug* - 27/09/2017 01:05:47 PM 450 Views
I think that's a weakness of your spectrum argument, though. - 27/09/2017 11:06:16 PM 402 Views
the non military is the further stretch - 27/09/2017 02:16:03 PM 479 Views
lol - 27/09/2017 02:37:00 PM 469 Views
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You're again making an idiotic argument - 27/09/2017 07:25:36 PM 489 Views
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No, socialist is socialist. What is so hard about that? - 28/09/2017 05:05:27 AM 450 Views
It was a brilliant speech all around, and you don't understand Trump based on those comments. - 21/09/2017 08:32:29 PM 499 Views
He's doing jack shit. He tells people everything they want to hear, then blames Congress... - 21/09/2017 08:57:36 PM 538 Views
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If you say so. - 25/09/2017 05:31:00 PM 525 Views
I can see where you're coming from... - 21/09/2017 08:50:03 PM 516 Views
Oh, that people voted for him over Clinton, I can understand well enough. - 21/09/2017 09:02:50 PM 432 Views
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That's a good point. - 26/09/2017 06:44:13 PM 426 Views
I get it.... - 26/09/2017 09:00:35 PM 412 Views
Re: It is? Like what? - 25/09/2017 08:09:53 PM 521 Views
Re: It is? Like what? - 26/09/2017 02:08:17 PM 512 Views
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Let's hold the phone here for a moment.... - 26/09/2017 09:07:07 PM 406 Views
Too late to hold the phone! The horses are out of the barn. - 26/09/2017 09:20:06 PM 440 Views
Yeah. And not just Trump. - 26/09/2017 11:59:05 PM 407 Views
Re: Yeah. And not just Trump. - 27/09/2017 02:27:40 AM 436 Views
keep it in one thread n00b - 27/09/2017 02:52:55 AM 477 Views
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So... - 27/09/2017 02:39:01 PM 449 Views
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He was in town today, stumping for Luther Strange - 23/09/2017 03:58:49 AM 512 Views
You're an Alabamian, huh? Me too! - 26/09/2017 06:05:24 PM 400 Views
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