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Re: I really like this analogy, but I think it's off base here. aerocontrols Send a noteboard - 24/08/2017 11:01:15 PM

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I'm not retreating to a keep when I say feminism is about equality of the sexes in response to someone who claims feminism is about making women superior to men (the popular "I'm not a feminist; I'm egalitarian" gambit). Feminism is about equality of the sexes.

If that's all it's about, then fine. I can find hundreds of examples of 'you're not a real feminist unless...' examples, however.


View original postThe various positions I support as a feminist that offend alleged egalitarians are not sneaky extensions of my philosophy into gynocracy. They're positions that I believe are necessary to achieve actual equality, which I believe to be more complicated a goal than simply saying "women can be lawyers and doctors now."

Now, people can reasonably disagree on this, but they shouldn't assume bad faith on my part when I say feminism is about equality. They should engage me about how my positions do or do not support that goal.


Who used the popular "I'm not a feminist, I'm an egalitarian" gambit, here? Who is assuming bad faith?

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The purges will continue until morale improves aerocontrols - 22/08/2017 04:10:36 PM 1063 Views
I love how they cite Vasquez from Aliens as a strong female character. Cannoli - 22/08/2017 04:46:53 PM 496 Views
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You are not the gatekeeper, either aerocontrols - 22/08/2017 07:25:31 PM 373 Views
I strongly protest against the notion that there IS a gatekeeper. Legolas - 22/08/2017 07:39:41 PM 360 Views
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You can't kick me out! aerocontrols - 22/08/2017 07:54:30 PM 356 Views
None shall pass. Aviendha - 22/08/2017 07:57:43 PM 364 Views
yeah, yeah, yeah... aerocontrols - 22/08/2017 08:06:40 PM 358 Views
We're out of my field aerocontrols - 22/08/2017 07:53:01 PM 384 Views
Of course the real problem with the strong female action figure is the lack of real world models random thoughts - 22/08/2017 07:30:55 PM 368 Views
But is it? aerocontrols - 22/08/2017 07:45:30 PM 351 Views
An interesting thing about sci-fi is that it can plausibly eliminate sexual disparity in strength. Ghavrel - 22/08/2017 08:19:52 PM 376 Views
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I meant Africans. The deficiency here is in my knowledge of sports records. Ghavrel - 23/08/2017 12:40:23 AM 336 Views
In longer distance races, yes. Not so much in sprinting. Legolas - 23/08/2017 07:03:14 AM 349 Views
When you are talking aliens then gender really isn't an issue random thoughts - 22/08/2017 09:42:07 PM 344 Views
Of the two female Avengers only one has super powers. random thoughts - 22/08/2017 09:46:49 PM 367 Views
*shrug* aerocontrols - 22/08/2017 09:56:20 PM 378 Views
And it bothers me that he can get nocked around like that and live random thoughts - 23/08/2017 12:29:26 AM 416 Views
No, not yours *NM* aerocontrols - 23/08/2017 12:34:13 AM 234 Views
I doubt anyone had their life changed because they were inspired but whatever his name is *NM* random thoughts - 25/08/2017 02:33:48 AM 206 Views
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A person who supports feminism. Aviendha - 22/08/2017 11:55:56 PM 442 Views
Motte and Bailey aerocontrols - 24/08/2017 10:22:03 PM 435 Views
? Aviendha - 24/08/2017 10:34:34 PM 462 Views
The argument is aerocontrols - 24/08/2017 11:03:19 PM 363 Views
I think people have different ideas of how to reach equality, some of which are stupid Aviendha - 24/08/2017 11:28:31 PM 394 Views
Well, ok aerocontrols - 25/08/2017 12:19:24 AM 363 Views
Men! Aviendha - 25/08/2017 09:28:21 AM 424 Views
I really like this analogy, but I think it's off base here. Ghavrel - 24/08/2017 10:36:31 PM 370 Views
Re: I really like this analogy, but I think it's off base here. aerocontrols - 24/08/2017 11:01:15 PM 424 Views
Re: I really like this analogy, but I think it's off base here. Ghavrel - 24/08/2017 11:34:24 PM 383 Views
Re: I really like this analogy, but I think it's off base here. aerocontrols - 25/08/2017 12:28:58 AM 394 Views
Re: I really like this analogy, but I think it's off base here. Ghavrel - 25/08/2017 03:33:53 AM 359 Views
Sometimes 'real' is the right word, though aerocontrols - 25/08/2017 03:01:16 PM 380 Views
Well, sure. There's no dispute over their beliefs there, though. Ghavrel - 25/08/2017 04:03:47 PM 391 Views
all the social justice people hide from one reality random thoughts - 25/08/2017 03:40:51 PM 356 Views
That's the equity/equality distinction. Ghavrel - 25/08/2017 04:01:10 PM 342 Views
See, but it's the same thing.... Jeordam - 25/08/2017 05:22:50 PM 454 Views
Are you ok giving a rich black person advantages over a poor white one? random thoughts - 25/08/2017 05:41:58 PM 384 Views
It's not just a black/white issue aerocontrols - 25/08/2017 05:45:17 PM 432 Views
Really? Jeordam - 25/08/2017 06:16:14 PM 379 Views
Affirmative action is illegal for public universities in California aerocontrols - 25/08/2017 06:44:38 PM 431 Views
That is an affect of their score not of racial bias random thoughts - 28/08/2017 02:32:02 PM 375 Views
That's really not what "modern liberal social justice" thinks. Ghavrel - 28/08/2017 06:41:32 AM 296 Views
It may not be what they intend but they ignore the real world consequences random thoughts - 28/08/2017 02:25:23 PM 435 Views
Re: That's really not what "modern liberal social justice" thinks. aerocontrols - 28/08/2017 03:02:42 PM 423 Views
Only very briefly as I head off to work. Ghavrel - 28/08/2017 04:07:42 PM 298 Views
Well, I can see you're busy aerocontrols - 28/08/2017 04:36:55 PM 400 Views
All else being equal, yes. But that's sometimes difficult to visualize. Ghavrel - 29/08/2017 03:56:56 AM 429 Views
How about a kid who's family endows one or more chairs? Or built the new gym? *NM* damookster - 29/08/2017 05:45:29 AM 205 Views
That's not "all else being equal." *NM* Ghavrel - 29/08/2017 05:35:13 PM 284 Views
I prefer Mott The Hoople *NM* damookster - 24/08/2017 10:42:00 PM 204 Views
Oh look; a bunch of dudes discussing feminism! *NM* Aviendha - 22/08/2017 11:49:25 PM 243 Views
Just let us know if you need any mansplaining. aerocontrols - 23/08/2017 12:08:55 AM 325 Views
Someone needs to bring some rationality and logic to the topic. *NM* Cannoli - 23/08/2017 01:28:16 AM 198 Views
And, I thought it was "if you believe men & women are equal, you're a feminist!" *NM* Cannoli - 23/08/2017 01:29:24 AM 202 Views
I don't know if you've noticed, but... Legolas - 23/08/2017 07:05:10 AM 346 Views
Well Aviendha - 23/08/2017 09:02:28 AM 420 Views
I tried nossy - 23/08/2017 11:41:00 AM 415 Views
It's odd Aviendha - 23/08/2017 12:08:34 PM 418 Views
Lol, I wondered how you fit in over here. nossy - 23/08/2017 12:26:05 PM 424 Views
Urban Minnesota is a bit of a haven, too. Plus we have agreeable weather with four seasons! Hieshyn - 23/08/2017 09:29:33 PM 399 Views
Pft, I've seen your mosquitos! *NM* nossy - 24/08/2017 12:57:03 AM 219 Views
This year has been very mild. I think they're going the Way of the Bee. *NM* Hieshyn - 24/08/2017 11:26:10 PM 236 Views
Uhoh nossy - 24/08/2017 11:47:16 PM 388 Views
Nope. Those bastards dont deserve your pity. They are parasites. Hieshyn - 25/08/2017 01:44:45 AM 375 Views
ANYWAY Aviendha - 25/08/2017 09:30:31 AM 355 Views
Yes the virtues of having both extremes of weather random thoughts - 25/08/2017 02:31:38 AM 376 Views
Hey! nossy - 25/08/2017 10:41:16 AM 336 Views
Special rights don't lead to equality. *NM* random thoughts - 23/08/2017 12:14:12 PM 212 Views
Is it even considered possible for cisgender men to be feminist? damookster - 23/08/2017 12:48:28 AM 326 Views
In this particular case, the feminists would appear to have a legitimate point Cannoli - 23/08/2017 02:54:46 AM 442 Views
So in the end, Joss Wheldon is nothing more than the stereotypical Hollywood producer damookster - 23/08/2017 03:48:40 AM 414 Views
So he is a lot like Bil Clinton only with no Hillary to take the women out for him? *NM* random thoughts - 25/08/2017 01:16:11 PM 215 Views
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