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I really like this analogy, but I think it's off base here. Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 24/08/2017 10:36:31 PM

I'm not retreating to a keep when I say feminism is about equality of the sexes in response to someone who claims feminism is about making women superior to men (the popular "I'm not a feminist; I'm egalitarian" gambit). Feminism is about equality of the sexes.

The various positions I support as a feminist that offend alleged egalitarians are not sneaky extensions of my philosophy into gynocracy. They're positions that I believe are necessary to achieve actual equality, which I believe to be more complicated a goal than simply saying "women can be lawyers and doctors now."

Now, people can reasonably disagree on this, but they shouldn't assume bad faith on my part when I say feminism is about equality. They should engage me about how my positions do or do not support that goal.

"We feel safe when we read what we recognise, what does not challenge our way of thinking.... a steady acceptance of pre-arranged patterns leads to the inability to question what we are told."
~Camilla

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The purges will continue until morale improves aerocontrols - 22/08/2017 04:10:36 PM 1272 Views
I love how they cite Vasquez from Aliens as a strong female character. Cannoli - 22/08/2017 04:46:53 PM 673 Views
Not where I pictured that going... aerocontrols - 22/08/2017 07:19:46 PM 537 Views
Uh, yeah, I don't see the link. Just because he cheated on his wife doesn't make him not feminist. Legolas - 22/08/2017 06:44:28 PM 564 Views
You are not the gatekeeper, either aerocontrols - 22/08/2017 07:25:31 PM 544 Views
I strongly protest against the notion that there IS a gatekeeper. Legolas - 22/08/2017 07:39:41 PM 531 Views
I am the gatekeeper. Both of you are out. Aviendha - 22/08/2017 07:52:22 PM 587 Views
You can't kick me out! aerocontrols - 22/08/2017 07:54:30 PM 549 Views
None shall pass. Aviendha - 22/08/2017 07:57:43 PM 531 Views
yeah, yeah, yeah... aerocontrols - 22/08/2017 08:06:40 PM 527 Views
We're out of my field aerocontrols - 22/08/2017 07:53:01 PM 550 Views
Of course the real problem with the strong female action figure is the lack of real world models random thoughts - 22/08/2017 07:30:55 PM 541 Views
But is it? aerocontrols - 22/08/2017 07:45:30 PM 533 Views
An interesting thing about sci-fi is that it can plausibly eliminate sexual disparity in strength. Ghavrel - 22/08/2017 08:19:52 PM 565 Views
I take it by 'Africans', you mean 'black people'? Legolas - 22/08/2017 09:19:01 PM 545 Views
I meant Africans. The deficiency here is in my knowledge of sports records. Ghavrel - 23/08/2017 12:40:23 AM 512 Views
In longer distance races, yes. Not so much in sprinting. Legolas - 23/08/2017 07:03:14 AM 527 Views
When you are talking aliens then gender really isn't an issue random thoughts - 22/08/2017 09:42:07 PM 504 Views
Of the two female Avengers only one has super powers. random thoughts - 22/08/2017 09:46:49 PM 549 Views
*shrug* aerocontrols - 22/08/2017 09:56:20 PM 547 Views
And it bothers me that he can get nocked around like that and live random thoughts - 23/08/2017 12:29:26 AM 595 Views
No, not yours *NM* aerocontrols - 23/08/2017 12:34:13 AM 317 Views
I doubt anyone had their life changed because they were inspired but whatever his name is *NM* random thoughts - 25/08/2017 02:33:48 AM 292 Views
So that makes me wonder....What is the definition of a Feminist? Jeordam - 22/08/2017 11:20:49 PM 584 Views
A person who supports feminism. Aviendha - 22/08/2017 11:55:56 PM 637 Views
Motte and Bailey aerocontrols - 24/08/2017 10:22:03 PM 617 Views
? Aviendha - 24/08/2017 10:34:34 PM 667 Views
The argument is aerocontrols - 24/08/2017 11:03:19 PM 541 Views
I think people have different ideas of how to reach equality, some of which are stupid Aviendha - 24/08/2017 11:28:31 PM 607 Views
Well, ok aerocontrols - 25/08/2017 12:19:24 AM 531 Views
Men! Aviendha - 25/08/2017 09:28:21 AM 614 Views
I really like this analogy, but I think it's off base here. Ghavrel - 24/08/2017 10:36:31 PM 539 Views
Re: I really like this analogy, but I think it's off base here. aerocontrols - 24/08/2017 11:01:15 PM 612 Views
Re: I really like this analogy, but I think it's off base here. Ghavrel - 24/08/2017 11:34:24 PM 572 Views
Re: I really like this analogy, but I think it's off base here. aerocontrols - 25/08/2017 12:28:58 AM 595 Views
Re: I really like this analogy, but I think it's off base here. Ghavrel - 25/08/2017 03:33:53 AM 522 Views
Sometimes 'real' is the right word, though aerocontrols - 25/08/2017 03:01:16 PM 572 Views
Well, sure. There's no dispute over their beliefs there, though. Ghavrel - 25/08/2017 04:03:47 PM 585 Views
all the social justice people hide from one reality random thoughts - 25/08/2017 03:40:51 PM 545 Views
That's the equity/equality distinction. Ghavrel - 25/08/2017 04:01:10 PM 522 Views
See, but it's the same thing.... Jeordam - 25/08/2017 05:22:50 PM 635 Views
Are you ok giving a rich black person advantages over a poor white one? random thoughts - 25/08/2017 05:41:58 PM 572 Views
It's not just a black/white issue aerocontrols - 25/08/2017 05:45:17 PM 606 Views
Really? Jeordam - 25/08/2017 06:16:14 PM 557 Views
Affirmative action is illegal for public universities in California aerocontrols - 25/08/2017 06:44:38 PM 600 Views
That is an affect of their score not of racial bias random thoughts - 28/08/2017 02:32:02 PM 566 Views
That's really not what "modern liberal social justice" thinks. Ghavrel - 28/08/2017 06:41:32 AM 470 Views
It may not be what they intend but they ignore the real world consequences random thoughts - 28/08/2017 02:25:23 PM 622 Views
Re: That's really not what "modern liberal social justice" thinks. aerocontrols - 28/08/2017 03:02:42 PM 607 Views
Only very briefly as I head off to work. Ghavrel - 28/08/2017 04:07:42 PM 471 Views
Well, I can see you're busy aerocontrols - 28/08/2017 04:36:55 PM 569 Views
All else being equal, yes. But that's sometimes difficult to visualize. Ghavrel - 29/08/2017 03:56:56 AM 603 Views
How about a kid who's family endows one or more chairs? Or built the new gym? *NM* damookster - 29/08/2017 05:45:29 AM 293 Views
That's not "all else being equal." *NM* Ghavrel - 29/08/2017 05:35:13 PM 352 Views
I prefer Mott The Hoople *NM* damookster - 24/08/2017 10:42:00 PM 286 Views
Oh look; a bunch of dudes discussing feminism! *NM* Aviendha - 22/08/2017 11:49:25 PM 326 Views
Just let us know if you need any mansplaining. aerocontrols - 23/08/2017 12:08:55 AM 488 Views
Someone needs to bring some rationality and logic to the topic. *NM* Cannoli - 23/08/2017 01:28:16 AM 283 Views
And, I thought it was "if you believe men & women are equal, you're a feminist!" *NM* Cannoli - 23/08/2017 01:29:24 AM 279 Views
I don't know if you've noticed, but... Legolas - 23/08/2017 07:05:10 AM 522 Views
Well Aviendha - 23/08/2017 09:02:28 AM 597 Views
I tried nossy - 23/08/2017 11:41:00 AM 596 Views
It's odd Aviendha - 23/08/2017 12:08:34 PM 593 Views
Lol, I wondered how you fit in over here. nossy - 23/08/2017 12:26:05 PM 610 Views
Urban Minnesota is a bit of a haven, too. Plus we have agreeable weather with four seasons! Hieshyn - 23/08/2017 09:29:33 PM 584 Views
Pft, I've seen your mosquitos! *NM* nossy - 24/08/2017 12:57:03 AM 304 Views
This year has been very mild. I think they're going the Way of the Bee. *NM* Hieshyn - 24/08/2017 11:26:10 PM 349 Views
Uhoh nossy - 24/08/2017 11:47:16 PM 605 Views
Nope. Those bastards dont deserve your pity. They are parasites. Hieshyn - 25/08/2017 01:44:45 AM 562 Views
ANYWAY Aviendha - 25/08/2017 09:30:31 AM 529 Views
Yes the virtues of having both extremes of weather random thoughts - 25/08/2017 02:31:38 AM 557 Views
Hey! nossy - 25/08/2017 10:41:16 AM 506 Views
Special rights don't lead to equality. *NM* random thoughts - 23/08/2017 12:14:12 PM 285 Views
Is it even considered possible for cisgender men to be feminist? damookster - 23/08/2017 12:48:28 AM 510 Views
In this particular case, the feminists would appear to have a legitimate point Cannoli - 23/08/2017 02:54:46 AM 626 Views
So in the end, Joss Wheldon is nothing more than the stereotypical Hollywood producer damookster - 23/08/2017 03:48:40 AM 606 Views
So he is a lot like Bil Clinton only with no Hillary to take the women out for him? *NM* random thoughts - 25/08/2017 01:16:11 PM 295 Views
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