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I really like this analogy, but I think it's off base here. Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 24/08/2017 10:36:31 PM

I'm not retreating to a keep when I say feminism is about equality of the sexes in response to someone who claims feminism is about making women superior to men (the popular "I'm not a feminist; I'm egalitarian" gambit). Feminism is about equality of the sexes.

The various positions I support as a feminist that offend alleged egalitarians are not sneaky extensions of my philosophy into gynocracy. They're positions that I believe are necessary to achieve actual equality, which I believe to be more complicated a goal than simply saying "women can be lawyers and doctors now."

Now, people can reasonably disagree on this, but they shouldn't assume bad faith on my part when I say feminism is about equality. They should engage me about how my positions do or do not support that goal.

"We feel safe when we read what we recognise, what does not challenge our way of thinking.... a steady acceptance of pre-arranged patterns leads to the inability to question what we are told."
~Camilla

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The purges will continue until morale improves aerocontrols - 22/08/2017 04:10:36 PM 1121 Views
I love how they cite Vasquez from Aliens as a strong female character. Cannoli - 22/08/2017 04:46:53 PM 549 Views
Not where I pictured that going... aerocontrols - 22/08/2017 07:19:46 PM 396 Views
Uh, yeah, I don't see the link. Just because he cheated on his wife doesn't make him not feminist. Legolas - 22/08/2017 06:44:28 PM 444 Views
You are not the gatekeeper, either aerocontrols - 22/08/2017 07:25:31 PM 426 Views
I strongly protest against the notion that there IS a gatekeeper. Legolas - 22/08/2017 07:39:41 PM 404 Views
I am the gatekeeper. Both of you are out. Aviendha - 22/08/2017 07:52:22 PM 472 Views
You can't kick me out! aerocontrols - 22/08/2017 07:54:30 PM 413 Views
None shall pass. Aviendha - 22/08/2017 07:57:43 PM 413 Views
yeah, yeah, yeah... aerocontrols - 22/08/2017 08:06:40 PM 412 Views
We're out of my field aerocontrols - 22/08/2017 07:53:01 PM 434 Views
Of course the real problem with the strong female action figure is the lack of real world models random thoughts - 22/08/2017 07:30:55 PM 422 Views
But is it? aerocontrols - 22/08/2017 07:45:30 PM 397 Views
An interesting thing about sci-fi is that it can plausibly eliminate sexual disparity in strength. Ghavrel - 22/08/2017 08:19:52 PM 435 Views
I take it by 'Africans', you mean 'black people'? Legolas - 22/08/2017 09:19:01 PM 432 Views
I meant Africans. The deficiency here is in my knowledge of sports records. Ghavrel - 23/08/2017 12:40:23 AM 389 Views
In longer distance races, yes. Not so much in sprinting. Legolas - 23/08/2017 07:03:14 AM 401 Views
When you are talking aliens then gender really isn't an issue random thoughts - 22/08/2017 09:42:07 PM 398 Views
Of the two female Avengers only one has super powers. random thoughts - 22/08/2017 09:46:49 PM 418 Views
*shrug* aerocontrols - 22/08/2017 09:56:20 PM 431 Views
And it bothers me that he can get nocked around like that and live random thoughts - 23/08/2017 12:29:26 AM 475 Views
No, not yours *NM* aerocontrols - 23/08/2017 12:34:13 AM 259 Views
I doubt anyone had their life changed because they were inspired but whatever his name is *NM* random thoughts - 25/08/2017 02:33:48 AM 231 Views
So that makes me wonder....What is the definition of a Feminist? Jeordam - 22/08/2017 11:20:49 PM 431 Views
A person who supports feminism. Aviendha - 22/08/2017 11:55:56 PM 497 Views
Motte and Bailey aerocontrols - 24/08/2017 10:22:03 PM 494 Views
? Aviendha - 24/08/2017 10:34:34 PM 516 Views
The argument is aerocontrols - 24/08/2017 11:03:19 PM 418 Views
I think people have different ideas of how to reach equality, some of which are stupid Aviendha - 24/08/2017 11:28:31 PM 451 Views
Well, ok aerocontrols - 25/08/2017 12:19:24 AM 416 Views
Men! Aviendha - 25/08/2017 09:28:21 AM 483 Views
I really like this analogy, but I think it's off base here. Ghavrel - 24/08/2017 10:36:31 PM 426 Views
Re: I really like this analogy, but I think it's off base here. aerocontrols - 24/08/2017 11:01:15 PM 485 Views
Re: I really like this analogy, but I think it's off base here. Ghavrel - 24/08/2017 11:34:24 PM 440 Views
Re: I really like this analogy, but I think it's off base here. aerocontrols - 25/08/2017 12:28:58 AM 461 Views
Re: I really like this analogy, but I think it's off base here. Ghavrel - 25/08/2017 03:33:53 AM 412 Views
Sometimes 'real' is the right word, though aerocontrols - 25/08/2017 03:01:16 PM 436 Views
Well, sure. There's no dispute over their beliefs there, though. Ghavrel - 25/08/2017 04:03:47 PM 448 Views
all the social justice people hide from one reality random thoughts - 25/08/2017 03:40:51 PM 413 Views
That's the equity/equality distinction. Ghavrel - 25/08/2017 04:01:10 PM 398 Views
See, but it's the same thing.... Jeordam - 25/08/2017 05:22:50 PM 509 Views
Are you ok giving a rich black person advantages over a poor white one? random thoughts - 25/08/2017 05:41:58 PM 440 Views
It's not just a black/white issue aerocontrols - 25/08/2017 05:45:17 PM 490 Views
Really? Jeordam - 25/08/2017 06:16:14 PM 432 Views
Affirmative action is illegal for public universities in California aerocontrols - 25/08/2017 06:44:38 PM 488 Views
That is an affect of their score not of racial bias random thoughts - 28/08/2017 02:32:02 PM 438 Views
That's really not what "modern liberal social justice" thinks. Ghavrel - 28/08/2017 06:41:32 AM 348 Views
It may not be what they intend but they ignore the real world consequences random thoughts - 28/08/2017 02:25:23 PM 495 Views
Re: That's really not what "modern liberal social justice" thinks. aerocontrols - 28/08/2017 03:02:42 PM 479 Views
Only very briefly as I head off to work. Ghavrel - 28/08/2017 04:07:42 PM 347 Views
Well, I can see you're busy aerocontrols - 28/08/2017 04:36:55 PM 451 Views
All else being equal, yes. But that's sometimes difficult to visualize. Ghavrel - 29/08/2017 03:56:56 AM 480 Views
How about a kid who's family endows one or more chairs? Or built the new gym? *NM* damookster - 29/08/2017 05:45:29 AM 232 Views
That's not "all else being equal." *NM* Ghavrel - 29/08/2017 05:35:13 PM 305 Views
I prefer Mott The Hoople *NM* damookster - 24/08/2017 10:42:00 PM 227 Views
Oh look; a bunch of dudes discussing feminism! *NM* Aviendha - 22/08/2017 11:49:25 PM 268 Views
Just let us know if you need any mansplaining. aerocontrols - 23/08/2017 12:08:55 AM 375 Views
Someone needs to bring some rationality and logic to the topic. *NM* Cannoli - 23/08/2017 01:28:16 AM 227 Views
And, I thought it was "if you believe men & women are equal, you're a feminist!" *NM* Cannoli - 23/08/2017 01:29:24 AM 228 Views
I don't know if you've noticed, but... Legolas - 23/08/2017 07:05:10 AM 399 Views
Well Aviendha - 23/08/2017 09:02:28 AM 471 Views
I tried nossy - 23/08/2017 11:41:00 AM 470 Views
It's odd Aviendha - 23/08/2017 12:08:34 PM 475 Views
Lol, I wondered how you fit in over here. nossy - 23/08/2017 12:26:05 PM 478 Views
Urban Minnesota is a bit of a haven, too. Plus we have agreeable weather with four seasons! Hieshyn - 23/08/2017 09:29:33 PM 450 Views
Pft, I've seen your mosquitos! *NM* nossy - 24/08/2017 12:57:03 AM 246 Views
This year has been very mild. I think they're going the Way of the Bee. *NM* Hieshyn - 24/08/2017 11:26:10 PM 263 Views
Uhoh nossy - 24/08/2017 11:47:16 PM 447 Views
Nope. Those bastards dont deserve your pity. They are parasites. Hieshyn - 25/08/2017 01:44:45 AM 429 Views
ANYWAY Aviendha - 25/08/2017 09:30:31 AM 406 Views
Yes the virtues of having both extremes of weather random thoughts - 25/08/2017 02:31:38 AM 431 Views
Hey! nossy - 25/08/2017 10:41:16 AM 384 Views
Special rights don't lead to equality. *NM* random thoughts - 23/08/2017 12:14:12 PM 235 Views
Is it even considered possible for cisgender men to be feminist? damookster - 23/08/2017 12:48:28 AM 378 Views
In this particular case, the feminists would appear to have a legitimate point Cannoli - 23/08/2017 02:54:46 AM 498 Views
So in the end, Joss Wheldon is nothing more than the stereotypical Hollywood producer damookster - 23/08/2017 03:48:40 AM 476 Views
So he is a lot like Bil Clinton only with no Hillary to take the women out for him? *NM* random thoughts - 25/08/2017 01:16:11 PM 240 Views
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