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I really like this analogy, but I think it's off base here. Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 24/08/2017 10:36:31 PM

I'm not retreating to a keep when I say feminism is about equality of the sexes in response to someone who claims feminism is about making women superior to men (the popular "I'm not a feminist; I'm egalitarian" gambit). Feminism is about equality of the sexes.

The various positions I support as a feminist that offend alleged egalitarians are not sneaky extensions of my philosophy into gynocracy. They're positions that I believe are necessary to achieve actual equality, which I believe to be more complicated a goal than simply saying "women can be lawyers and doctors now."

Now, people can reasonably disagree on this, but they shouldn't assume bad faith on my part when I say feminism is about equality. They should engage me about how my positions do or do not support that goal.

"We feel safe when we read what we recognise, what does not challenge our way of thinking.... a steady acceptance of pre-arranged patterns leads to the inability to question what we are told."
~Camilla

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*shrug* - 22/08/2017 09:56:20 PM 378 Views
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No, not yours *NM* - 23/08/2017 12:34:13 AM 234 Views
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A person who supports feminism. - 22/08/2017 11:55:56 PM 442 Views
Motte and Bailey - 24/08/2017 10:22:03 PM 435 Views
? - 24/08/2017 10:34:34 PM 462 Views
The argument is - 24/08/2017 11:03:19 PM 363 Views
I think people have different ideas of how to reach equality, some of which are stupid - 24/08/2017 11:28:31 PM 394 Views
Well, ok - 25/08/2017 12:19:24 AM 363 Views
Men! - 25/08/2017 09:28:21 AM 424 Views
I really like this analogy, but I think it's off base here. - 24/08/2017 10:36:31 PM 370 Views
Re: I really like this analogy, but I think it's off base here. - 24/08/2017 11:01:15 PM 423 Views
Re: I really like this analogy, but I think it's off base here. - 24/08/2017 11:34:24 PM 383 Views
Re: I really like this analogy, but I think it's off base here. - 25/08/2017 12:28:58 AM 394 Views
Re: I really like this analogy, but I think it's off base here. - 25/08/2017 03:33:53 AM 359 Views
Sometimes 'real' is the right word, though - 25/08/2017 03:01:16 PM 380 Views
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all the social justice people hide from one reality - 25/08/2017 03:40:51 PM 356 Views
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It may not be what they intend but they ignore the real world consequences - 28/08/2017 02:25:23 PM 435 Views
Re: That's really not what "modern liberal social justice" thinks. - 28/08/2017 03:02:42 PM 423 Views
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Well, I can see you're busy - 28/08/2017 04:36:55 PM 400 Views
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How about a kid who's family endows one or more chairs? Or built the new gym? *NM* - 29/08/2017 05:45:29 AM 205 Views
That's not "all else being equal." *NM* - 29/08/2017 05:35:13 PM 284 Views
I prefer Mott The Hoople *NM* - 24/08/2017 10:42:00 PM 204 Views
Oh look; a bunch of dudes discussing feminism! *NM* - 22/08/2017 11:49:25 PM 243 Views
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Well - 23/08/2017 09:02:28 AM 420 Views
I tried - 23/08/2017 11:41:00 AM 414 Views
It's odd - 23/08/2017 12:08:34 PM 418 Views
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Urban Minnesota is a bit of a haven, too. Plus we have agreeable weather with four seasons! - 23/08/2017 09:29:33 PM 399 Views
Pft, I've seen your mosquitos! *NM* - 24/08/2017 12:57:03 AM 219 Views
This year has been very mild. I think they're going the Way of the Bee. *NM* - 24/08/2017 11:26:10 PM 236 Views
Uhoh - 24/08/2017 11:47:16 PM 388 Views
Nope. Those bastards dont deserve your pity. They are parasites. - 25/08/2017 01:44:45 AM 375 Views
ANYWAY - 25/08/2017 09:30:31 AM 355 Views
Yes the virtues of having both extremes of weather - 25/08/2017 02:31:38 AM 376 Views
Hey! - 25/08/2017 10:41:16 AM 336 Views
Special rights don't lead to equality. *NM* - 23/08/2017 12:14:12 PM 212 Views
Is it even considered possible for cisgender men to be feminist? - 23/08/2017 12:48:28 AM 326 Views

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