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I really like this analogy, but I think it's off base here. Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 24/08/2017 10:36:31 PM

I'm not retreating to a keep when I say feminism is about equality of the sexes in response to someone who claims feminism is about making women superior to men (the popular "I'm not a feminist; I'm egalitarian" gambit). Feminism is about equality of the sexes.

The various positions I support as a feminist that offend alleged egalitarians are not sneaky extensions of my philosophy into gynocracy. They're positions that I believe are necessary to achieve actual equality, which I believe to be more complicated a goal than simply saying "women can be lawyers and doctors now."

Now, people can reasonably disagree on this, but they shouldn't assume bad faith on my part when I say feminism is about equality. They should engage me about how my positions do or do not support that goal.

"We feel safe when we read what we recognise, what does not challenge our way of thinking.... a steady acceptance of pre-arranged patterns leads to the inability to question what we are told."
~Camilla

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The purges will continue until morale improves - 22/08/2017 04:10:36 PM 1346 Views
I love how they cite Vasquez from Aliens as a strong female character. - 22/08/2017 04:46:53 PM 741 Views
Not where I pictured that going... - 22/08/2017 07:19:46 PM 608 Views
Uh, yeah, I don't see the link. Just because he cheated on his wife doesn't make him not feminist. - 22/08/2017 06:44:28 PM 627 Views
You are not the gatekeeper, either - 22/08/2017 07:25:31 PM 607 Views
I strongly protest against the notion that there IS a gatekeeper. - 22/08/2017 07:39:41 PM 597 Views
I am the gatekeeper. Both of you are out. - 22/08/2017 07:52:22 PM 649 Views
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None shall pass. - 22/08/2017 07:57:43 PM 600 Views
yeah, yeah, yeah... - 22/08/2017 08:06:40 PM 595 Views
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But is it? - 22/08/2017 07:45:30 PM 601 Views
An interesting thing about sci-fi is that it can plausibly eliminate sexual disparity in strength. - 22/08/2017 08:19:52 PM 632 Views
I take it by 'Africans', you mean 'black people'? - 22/08/2017 09:19:01 PM 618 Views
I meant Africans. The deficiency here is in my knowledge of sports records. - 23/08/2017 12:40:23 AM 584 Views
In longer distance races, yes. Not so much in sprinting. - 23/08/2017 07:03:14 AM 592 Views
When you are talking aliens then gender really isn't an issue - 22/08/2017 09:42:07 PM 574 Views
Of the two female Avengers only one has super powers. - 22/08/2017 09:46:49 PM 626 Views
*shrug* - 22/08/2017 09:56:20 PM 612 Views
And it bothers me that he can get nocked around like that and live - 23/08/2017 12:29:26 AM 670 Views
No, not yours *NM* - 23/08/2017 12:34:13 AM 356 Views
So that makes me wonder....What is the definition of a Feminist? - 22/08/2017 11:20:49 PM 647 Views
A person who supports feminism. - 22/08/2017 11:55:56 PM 705 Views
Motte and Bailey - 24/08/2017 10:22:03 PM 686 Views
? - 24/08/2017 10:34:34 PM 738 Views
The argument is - 24/08/2017 11:03:19 PM 607 Views
I think people have different ideas of how to reach equality, some of which are stupid - 24/08/2017 11:28:31 PM 680 Views
Well, ok - 25/08/2017 12:19:24 AM 600 Views
Men! - 25/08/2017 09:28:21 AM 680 Views
I really like this analogy, but I think it's off base here. - 24/08/2017 10:36:31 PM 622 Views
Re: I really like this analogy, but I think it's off base here. - 24/08/2017 11:01:15 PM 668 Views
Re: I really like this analogy, but I think it's off base here. - 24/08/2017 11:34:24 PM 646 Views
Re: I really like this analogy, but I think it's off base here. - 25/08/2017 12:28:58 AM 671 Views
Re: I really like this analogy, but I think it's off base here. - 25/08/2017 03:33:53 AM 585 Views
Sometimes 'real' is the right word, though - 25/08/2017 03:01:16 PM 644 Views
Well, sure. There's no dispute over their beliefs there, though. - 25/08/2017 04:03:47 PM 651 Views
all the social justice people hide from one reality - 25/08/2017 03:40:51 PM 609 Views
That's the equity/equality distinction. - 25/08/2017 04:01:10 PM 595 Views
See, but it's the same thing.... - 25/08/2017 05:22:50 PM 700 Views
Are you ok giving a rich black person advantages over a poor white one? - 25/08/2017 05:41:58 PM 635 Views
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Affirmative action is illegal for public universities in California - 25/08/2017 06:44:38 PM 672 Views
That is an affect of their score not of racial bias - 28/08/2017 02:32:02 PM 634 Views
That's really not what "modern liberal social justice" thinks. - 28/08/2017 06:41:32 AM 529 Views
It may not be what they intend but they ignore the real world consequences - 28/08/2017 02:25:23 PM 693 Views
Re: That's really not what "modern liberal social justice" thinks. - 28/08/2017 03:02:42 PM 668 Views
Only very briefly as I head off to work. - 28/08/2017 04:07:42 PM 536 Views
Well, I can see you're busy - 28/08/2017 04:36:55 PM 635 Views
All else being equal, yes. But that's sometimes difficult to visualize. - 29/08/2017 03:56:56 AM 666 Views
How about a kid who's family endows one or more chairs? Or built the new gym? *NM* - 29/08/2017 05:45:29 AM 325 Views
That's not "all else being equal." *NM* - 29/08/2017 05:35:13 PM 386 Views
I prefer Mott The Hoople *NM* - 24/08/2017 10:42:00 PM 323 Views
Oh look; a bunch of dudes discussing feminism! *NM* - 22/08/2017 11:49:25 PM 361 Views
Just let us know if you need any mansplaining. - 23/08/2017 12:08:55 AM 551 Views
I don't know if you've noticed, but... - 23/08/2017 07:05:10 AM 596 Views
Well - 23/08/2017 09:02:28 AM 658 Views
I tried - 23/08/2017 11:41:00 AM 664 Views
It's odd - 23/08/2017 12:08:34 PM 657 Views
Lol, I wondered how you fit in over here. - 23/08/2017 12:26:05 PM 683 Views
Urban Minnesota is a bit of a haven, too. Plus we have agreeable weather with four seasons! - 23/08/2017 09:29:33 PM 647 Views
Pft, I've seen your mosquitos! *NM* - 24/08/2017 12:57:03 AM 345 Views
This year has been very mild. I think they're going the Way of the Bee. *NM* - 24/08/2017 11:26:10 PM 384 Views
Uhoh - 24/08/2017 11:47:16 PM 668 Views
Nope. Those bastards dont deserve your pity. They are parasites. - 25/08/2017 01:44:45 AM 636 Views
ANYWAY - 25/08/2017 09:30:31 AM 590 Views
Yes the virtues of having both extremes of weather - 25/08/2017 02:31:38 AM 625 Views
Hey! - 25/08/2017 10:41:16 AM 576 Views
Special rights don't lead to equality. *NM* - 23/08/2017 12:14:12 PM 324 Views
Is it even considered possible for cisgender men to be feminist? - 23/08/2017 12:48:28 AM 582 Views

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