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*shrug* Jeordam Send a noteboard - 26/07/2017 07:05:17 PM

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I believe there is a big difference between a trans individual who is already where he or she wants to be, physically, emotionally, and mentally, and someone who is just starting the journey. The former should be able to serve, if they so desire. But I can see the arguments against the latter.

I see where you're coming from. I can also see where Trump, as Commander & Chief, is coming from. One of the lessons I've learned in my career is that I don't have to justify every decision I make to everyone who asks. Sometimes I can just say "This is the way its going to be." But as I said before, there are a whole host of people who cannot serve, regardless of their desire to. This is another addition to the list.

~Jeordam

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Thoughts on the internet outrage over Trump's transgenders in the military announcement damookster - 26/07/2017 05:42:34 PM 952 Views
Maybe because.... Jeordam - 26/07/2017 06:08:16 PM 540 Views
I get that damookster - 26/07/2017 06:12:35 PM 565 Views
I don't think that your reasoning is flawed.... Jeordam - 26/07/2017 06:31:06 PM 604 Views
bottom line damookster - 26/07/2017 06:40:36 PM 566 Views
*shrug* Jeordam - 26/07/2017 07:05:17 PM 534 Views
I dare say a lot of the rhetoric is seriously over the top... Legolas - 26/07/2017 06:13:59 PM 544 Views
like I replied to Jeo, I don't see this as a betrayal of the LGBT cause damookster - 26/07/2017 06:19:01 PM 577 Views
LGB is not the same as T. We need to stop treating it all the same. Tom - 26/07/2017 06:58:05 PM 561 Views
No the least of which... Jeordam - 26/07/2017 07:06:21 PM 585 Views
Physical mutilation is a more appropriate word. Tom - 26/07/2017 07:07:33 PM 541 Views
You're correct.... Jeordam - 26/07/2017 09:28:20 PM 521 Views
Not always, keep that in mind. Legolas - 26/07/2017 07:35:34 PM 548 Views
I would still consider that.... Jeordam - 26/07/2017 09:02:36 PM 575 Views
John McCain is the Left's favorite RINO Tom - 26/07/2017 08:09:41 PM 594 Views
He's not a RINO. Just built his career on being independent-minded. Legolas - 26/07/2017 09:49:32 PM 585 Views
I really don't see the independence. Where is it? Tom - 27/07/2017 01:33:27 AM 543 Views
So which is it, is he a RINO or a faithful Republican foot soldier? Legolas - 27/07/2017 08:08:04 PM 613 Views
RINOs are a pack. Tom - 28/07/2017 12:46:44 AM 540 Views
Agreed with McCain The Shrike - 27/07/2017 03:35:06 PM 549 Views
It makes eminent sense why trannies shouldn't be allowed. Tom - 26/07/2017 06:57:00 PM 562 Views
I tried to keep my points to the logic of excluding an 18 yr old trans person damookster - 26/07/2017 07:16:37 PM 599 Views
I don't have any desire to stop people from doing it Tom - 26/07/2017 07:32:08 PM 528 Views
I agree damookster - 26/07/2017 07:59:18 PM 617 Views
Absolutely agree on all counts *NM* Cannoli - 27/07/2017 06:40:03 AM 291 Views
You don't need to be 'straight' to fight and die for your country. You just need to shoot straight. Joel - 27/07/2017 10:14:11 PM 565 Views
You're an idiot. *NM* Tom - 28/07/2017 12:47:21 AM 293 Views
You also need to pass some sort of physical standards Cannoli - 28/07/2017 03:52:14 AM 574 Views
So I was reading.... Jeordam - 26/07/2017 09:07:11 PM 556 Views
This is part of my point Tom - 26/07/2017 09:47:39 PM 561 Views
The rate goes down significantly after transition. Ghavrel - 26/07/2017 11:24:50 PM 535 Views
Bullshit. Tom - 27/07/2017 01:40:05 AM 634 Views
I also like that study because it uses correct terminology: transsexual, sex-reassigned. Tom - 27/07/2017 01:42:19 AM 575 Views
Gender has had a non-grammatical meaning since the 1950s, and you know it. Ghavrel - 27/07/2017 03:05:09 AM 533 Views
And people misuse the subjunctive all the time. Your point? Tom - 27/07/2017 04:57:19 AM 561 Views
Re: And people misuse the subjunctive all the time. Your point? Ghavrel - 27/07/2017 02:13:57 PM 561 Views
That's not necessarily a biological difference Tom - 27/07/2017 05:03:30 PM 609 Views
or liposuction or laser fat removal too. *NM* damookster - 27/07/2017 05:06:56 PM 308 Views
Facelifts, tummy tucks, collagen implants, nose jobs... *NM* Tom - 27/07/2017 05:09:01 PM 290 Views
Not bullshit. The rate decreases. It is still elevated relative to the general population. Ghavrel - 27/07/2017 03:00:15 AM 561 Views
"transition is the cure" Tom - 27/07/2017 04:50:11 AM 578 Views
Sloppy wording on my part. Transition is currently the most effective known cure. Ghavrel - 27/07/2017 02:18:41 PM 565 Views
Yes, but that just argues against transsexuals in the military either way Tom - 27/07/2017 05:04:39 PM 510 Views
Yes, and I don't feel particularly strongly about the current fiasco for that reason. Ghavrel - 27/07/2017 05:51:29 PM 566 Views
Yes, I am waiting for one of our veterans to weigh in with their thoughts. *NM* damookster - 27/07/2017 06:13:19 PM 285 Views
For what it's worth.... Jeordam - 28/07/2017 10:36:22 PM 597 Views
I have a friend who was an officer in the army who feels the same way. Ghavrel - 29/07/2017 12:37:48 AM 532 Views
which should then close the debate on the original question damookster - 27/07/2017 05:07:34 AM 575 Views
Exactly. *NM* Tom - 27/07/2017 01:26:48 PM 298 Views
Well, to the extent that it covers people with dysphoria, sure. Ghavrel - 27/07/2017 02:26:26 PM 520 Views
As I said above, Viagra treats a dysfunction Tom - 27/07/2017 05:08:19 PM 546 Views
also, to a point you made earlier damookster - 27/07/2017 05:39:32 PM 531 Views
Well, that's an argument for not putting them in roles where they can be captured, sure. Ghavrel - 27/07/2017 05:53:02 PM 520 Views
The argument is that transition corrects the dysfunction of gender dysphoria. Ghavrel - 27/07/2017 05:49:24 PM 524 Views
So let me understand your position correctly via asking a few questions Roland00 - 28/07/2017 04:01:50 AM 575 Views
Too long Tom - 28/07/2017 01:54:11 PM 555 Views
The main reason for the post was the standard you created Roland00 - 28/07/2017 05:00:27 PM 515 Views
Reductio ad absurdum, Roland? damookster - 28/07/2017 05:29:23 PM 523 Views
I know Tom and Cannoli don't care, but on the off chance that you do... Ghavrel - 29/07/2017 12:39:16 AM 574 Views
I didn't realize that damookster - 29/07/2017 01:10:30 AM 498 Views
Also trivia Roland00 - 29/07/2017 01:22:37 AM 475 Views
No worries. I'm not offended. I just thought you might want to know. *NM* Ghavrel - 29/07/2017 02:32:01 AM 267 Views
Thanks damookster - 29/07/2017 03:25:08 AM 501 Views
I don't? *NM* Cannoli - 29/07/2017 08:23:14 AM 301 Views
Yeah, I really don't care. Though I use the term for a different reason. Tom - 29/07/2017 07:12:03 PM 548 Views
So right now let me share the joke that is happening in my mind Roland00 - 29/07/2017 07:28:22 PM 479 Views
Girlfriend Mookie, you are projecting onto me. Roland00 - 29/07/2017 01:17:47 AM 567 Views
I absolutely respect you, Roland/Matt damookster - 29/07/2017 01:40:28 AM 506 Views
We are cool Roland00 - 29/07/2017 02:36:00 AM 561 Views
Blah blah blah and now I am showing off like an asshole Roland00 - 29/07/2017 02:52:48 AM 515 Views
you're a nice guy, Roland00 damookster - 29/07/2017 03:22:15 AM 535 Views
OMG mookie gave me the Nice Guy speech / Good Guy speech Roland00 - 29/07/2017 07:41:23 PM 469 Views
I've never seen Newsroom damookster - 29/07/2017 08:00:38 PM 506 Views
Teases I'll get you, my pretty, and your little dog too! Roland00 - 29/07/2017 09:13:30 PM 511 Views
Nah, I'm not that subtle. damookster - 29/07/2017 11:01:39 PM 472 Views
Edit: Double Posted due to bad wifi *NM* Roland00 - 28/07/2017 04:01:51 AM 293 Views
Serving its end: As long as everyone argues over this, no one talks about Trumpcare nor Russiagate Joel - 27/07/2017 10:05:00 PM 506 Views
What's horrible is the portmandu with -gate......Can we just let that one go yet? *NM* Jeordam - 27/07/2017 10:51:20 PM 259 Views
Joel, seriously damookster - 29/07/2017 08:33:14 PM 539 Views
No the real boogeymen are the ones we do not see with our eyes, but are still lurking in the shadows Roland00 - 29/07/2017 09:16:34 PM 465 Views
And Rejoice Roland00 - 29/07/2017 09:17:42 PM 512 Views
You are mixing up your metaphors, it is sleight of hand not sleight of mind Roland00 - 29/07/2017 09:20:17 PM 511 Views
Everybody Is Missing The Mark Here MrFarstrider - 29/07/2017 10:25:04 PM 608 Views
Nice comments. Thanks for that explanation. *NM* damookster - 29/07/2017 11:15:29 PM 291 Views
Also, For the Record MrFarstrider - 30/07/2017 08:02:58 AM 648 Views
Incite or Insight *NM* Roland00 - 01/08/2017 06:30:28 AM 273 Views
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