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I think nossy and I are ok with letting lazy people get by... Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 29/06/2017 08:11:36 PM

...if it means that people who are trying and failing to advance can survive.

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Case study of the damage liberalism can do - $15 Min Wage Anonymous2000 - 27/06/2017 01:54:54 AM 1341 Views
Seattle is a poor choice for a case study damookster - 27/06/2017 05:31:18 AM 683 Views
Well, sure, but many of those non-entry level jobs are being held by baby boomers. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 06:09:40 AM 704 Views
That's at least in part because the minimum wage makes automation more cost-effective Cannoli - 27/06/2017 11:04:28 AM 632 Views
Exactly. If you have to pay people $15/hour as a McDonald's cashier, put in the robots instead. Tom - 27/06/2017 07:18:11 PM 674 Views
That is an incredibly silly argument. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 08:56:09 PM 676 Views
If you assume wages can't go lower... Cannoli - 29/06/2017 04:52:33 AM 698 Views
Many? damookster - 27/06/2017 12:30:39 PM 684 Views
Amen. Tom - 27/06/2017 07:21:47 PM 655 Views
Yes, many. My office is full of them. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 08:59:55 PM 607 Views
So is life. damookster - 27/06/2017 09:29:01 PM 640 Views
Re: So is life. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 09:49:21 PM 644 Views
My father worked two jobs his entire working life. damookster - 27/06/2017 09:56:56 PM 634 Views
We have a 40 hour work week for a reason. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 10:17:15 PM 687 Views
That's a piss-poor analogy damookster - 27/06/2017 10:23:04 PM 642 Views
How is that really relevant, then? Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 11:03:34 PM 604 Views
I am really enjoying this new-fangled "like" feature we have now. *NM* Clover - 28/06/2017 12:13:42 AM 489 Views
*NM* Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 12:25:45 AM 360 Views
Personal choice damookster - 28/06/2017 12:20:47 AM 706 Views
Re: Personal choice Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 12:32:31 AM 654 Views
In theory I agree with your ideas about a living wage, however The Shrike - 28/06/2017 12:16:56 PM 655 Views
Very good questions Tom - 28/06/2017 03:01:02 PM 644 Views
FULLY AUTOMATED LUXURY SPACE COMMUNISM. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 07:49:59 PM 775 Views
Also, curtailing immigration, like keeping the minimum wage low, really only delays the inevitable. Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 11:05:58 PM 641 Views
damn *NM* damookster - 27/06/2017 09:29:01 PM 432 Views
Just retire already, you luddite! *NM* Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 09:45:46 PM 445 Views
I wish. damookster - 27/06/2017 09:48:02 PM 671 Views
Bad life decisions lead to bad life consequences random thoughts - 28/06/2017 05:44:58 PM 633 Views
You also shouldn't respond to it by letting them die. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 07:53:10 PM 629 Views
But this same arguement can be flipped by.... Jeordam - 28/06/2017 10:34:25 PM 702 Views
I feel like you're making my arguments for me here. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 10:51:38 PM 738 Views
an apt comparison damookster - 28/06/2017 11:09:25 PM 608 Views
So everyone who "can't" nossy - 29/06/2017 09:49:41 AM 626 Views
ummm damookster - 29/06/2017 02:06:54 PM 565 Views
I know. And I disagree with you. nossy - 29/06/2017 04:58:45 PM 668 Views
Health care and minimum wage are different discussions damookster - 29/06/2017 05:14:07 PM 644 Views
I think nossy and I are ok with letting lazy people get by... Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 08:11:36 PM 649 Views
Si nossy - 29/06/2017 09:08:03 PM 649 Views
Who said that? damookster - 29/06/2017 09:47:32 PM 729 Views
Who said what? nossy - 29/06/2017 10:32:12 PM 595 Views
There is a huge difference.... Jeordam - 29/06/2017 05:10:05 PM 650 Views
Hyperbole is all well and good for internet memes but it really doesn' advance your argument. random thoughts - 03/07/2017 04:22:59 PM 563 Views
Why does McDonalds keep coming up in this? Cannoli - 29/06/2017 06:53:46 AM 785 Views
Nicely said. Or written. *NM* AgentApple - 29/06/2017 09:30:06 AM 399 Views
All right, so what society without minimum wage do you point to as a model? *NM* Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 09:39:12 AM 430 Views
How about "all the ones we had before the 20th century"? Cannoli - 29/06/2017 10:47:30 PM 770 Views
The ones where hunger and scarcity were widespread? Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 11:04:02 PM 619 Views
So just to put this out there... Jeordam - 29/06/2017 11:12:47 PM 604 Views
Re: So just to put this out there... Ghavrel - 30/06/2017 01:34:03 AM 591 Views
Yes, and me being SUCH a fan of urbanization... Cannoli - 30/06/2017 03:39:51 PM 777 Views
The example for this post was for Seattle, or perhaps King County only. damookster - 29/06/2017 11:49:32 PM 713 Views
"Attract labor"? Minimum wage labor? I believe you mean, violently repell businesses Cannoli - 30/06/2017 03:31:36 PM 687 Views
Like anything else not addressed in the Constitution, it should be up to state and local government damookster - 30/06/2017 05:22:51 PM 672 Views
I for one am entirely unsuprised. Common sense result. *NM* Urza - 27/06/2017 06:23:01 AM 387 Views
Seems like a methodology to identify struggling operations more than one to evaluate... Vodalus - 27/06/2017 10:25:30 AM 659 Views
But the traffic is the WORST. Clover - 28/06/2017 12:47:13 AM 715 Views
You are a Husky? TIL clover is one of the Huskies. Roland00 - 28/06/2017 02:26:46 AM 574 Views
Re: But the traffic is the WORST. Vodalus - 28/06/2017 10:38:54 AM 621 Views
Just to nitpick, Switzerland isn't exactly homogeneous. Legolas - 28/06/2017 10:28:01 PM 663 Views
Don't say "liberalism" - there's nothing liberal about them. Say "Leftism". *NM* Tom - 27/06/2017 05:07:36 PM 356 Views
I was thinking the same. Even in the US, that's a weird context to use that word in. *NM* Legolas - 27/06/2017 05:50:21 PM 392 Views
Most Americans have no idea about the historical context of Liberalism. The Shrike - 27/06/2017 06:03:38 PM 626 Views
But even so, surely even in the US the main connotation is with social progressives, not economic? Legolas - 27/06/2017 06:28:54 PM 619 Views
I think it started to change in the 1980s Tom - 27/06/2017 07:14:26 PM 528 Views
Re: I think it started to change in the 1980s Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 09:05:23 PM 612 Views
Whether or not their views are shitty is a subjective determination Tom - 27/06/2017 11:15:22 PM 627 Views
A decade under conservative deans would fix the situation nicely, I think. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 11:24:41 PM 581 Views
Yes! I wonder what Dean Wormer from Faber is doing these days... *NM* Tom - 28/06/2017 12:03:46 AM 278 Views
So I've been thinking through this whole minimum wage thing.... Jeordam - 28/06/2017 05:47:26 PM 706 Views
It varies fairly significantly from location to location. MIT has a decent calculator. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 07:56:41 PM 1151 Views
Re: So I've been thinking through this whole minimum wage thing.... Cannoli - 29/06/2017 05:08:56 AM 681 Views
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