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If you assume wages can't go lower... Cannoli Send a noteboard - 29/06/2017 04:52:33 AM

Of course increasing the minimum wage is going to accelerate the rate of adoption of automated technologies. But unless you take the patently foolish view that there's no economic pressure to develop automation (there is) and that automation is only going to remain cost-effective at around $15 an hour (it's not), you're merely delaying the inevitable in any case.


Someone can always underbid the machines, once government is no longer mandating a minimum wage.

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Case study of the damage liberalism can do - $15 Min Wage Anonymous2000 - 27/06/2017 01:54:54 AM 1681 Views
Seattle is a poor choice for a case study damookster - 27/06/2017 05:31:18 AM 1058 Views
Well, sure, but many of those non-entry level jobs are being held by baby boomers. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 06:09:40 AM 1051 Views
That's at least in part because the minimum wage makes automation more cost-effective Cannoli - 27/06/2017 11:04:28 AM 938 Views
Exactly. If you have to pay people $15/hour as a McDonald's cashier, put in the robots instead. Tom - 27/06/2017 07:18:11 PM 991 Views
That is an incredibly silly argument. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 08:56:09 PM 1006 Views
If you assume wages can't go lower... Cannoli - 29/06/2017 04:52:33 AM 1035 Views
Many? damookster - 27/06/2017 12:30:39 PM 1025 Views
Amen. Tom - 27/06/2017 07:21:47 PM 1014 Views
Yes, many. My office is full of them. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 08:59:55 PM 939 Views
So is life. damookster - 27/06/2017 09:29:01 PM 961 Views
Re: So is life. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 09:49:21 PM 966 Views
My father worked two jobs his entire working life. damookster - 27/06/2017 09:56:56 PM 992 Views
We have a 40 hour work week for a reason. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 10:17:15 PM 1021 Views
That's a piss-poor analogy damookster - 27/06/2017 10:23:04 PM 959 Views
How is that really relevant, then? Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 11:03:34 PM 928 Views
I am really enjoying this new-fangled "like" feature we have now. *NM* Clover - 28/06/2017 12:13:42 AM 677 Views
*NM* Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 12:25:45 AM 541 Views
Personal choice damookster - 28/06/2017 12:20:47 AM 1049 Views
Re: Personal choice Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 12:32:31 AM 1025 Views
In theory I agree with your ideas about a living wage, however The Shrike - 28/06/2017 12:16:56 PM 1040 Views
Very good questions Tom - 28/06/2017 03:01:02 PM 972 Views
FULLY AUTOMATED LUXURY SPACE COMMUNISM. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 07:49:59 PM 1132 Views
Also, curtailing immigration, like keeping the minimum wage low, really only delays the inevitable. Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 11:05:58 PM 985 Views
damn *NM* damookster - 27/06/2017 09:29:01 PM 626 Views
Just retire already, you luddite! *NM* Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 09:45:46 PM 593 Views
I wish. damookster - 27/06/2017 09:48:02 PM 1000 Views
Bad life decisions lead to bad life consequences random thoughts - 28/06/2017 05:44:58 PM 969 Views
You also shouldn't respond to it by letting them die. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 07:53:10 PM 987 Views
But this same arguement can be flipped by.... Jeordam - 28/06/2017 10:34:25 PM 1051 Views
I feel like you're making my arguments for me here. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 10:51:38 PM 1076 Views
an apt comparison damookster - 28/06/2017 11:09:25 PM 940 Views
So everyone who "can't" nossy - 29/06/2017 09:49:41 AM 988 Views
ummm damookster - 29/06/2017 02:06:54 PM 904 Views
I know. And I disagree with you. nossy - 29/06/2017 04:58:45 PM 1018 Views
Health care and minimum wage are different discussions damookster - 29/06/2017 05:14:07 PM 1034 Views
I think nossy and I are ok with letting lazy people get by... Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 08:11:36 PM 973 Views
Si nossy - 29/06/2017 09:08:03 PM 1000 Views
Who said that? damookster - 29/06/2017 09:47:32 PM 1047 Views
Who said what? nossy - 29/06/2017 10:32:12 PM 933 Views
There is a huge difference.... Jeordam - 29/06/2017 05:10:05 PM 996 Views
Hyperbole is all well and good for internet memes but it really doesn' advance your argument. random thoughts - 03/07/2017 04:22:59 PM 912 Views
Why does McDonalds keep coming up in this? Cannoli - 29/06/2017 06:53:46 AM 1155 Views
Nicely said. Or written. *NM* AgentApple - 29/06/2017 09:30:06 AM 571 Views
All right, so what society without minimum wage do you point to as a model? *NM* Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 09:39:12 AM 600 Views
How about "all the ones we had before the 20th century"? Cannoli - 29/06/2017 10:47:30 PM 1120 Views
The ones where hunger and scarcity were widespread? Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 11:04:02 PM 953 Views
So just to put this out there... Jeordam - 29/06/2017 11:12:47 PM 938 Views
Re: So just to put this out there... Ghavrel - 30/06/2017 01:34:03 AM 898 Views
Yes, and me being SUCH a fan of urbanization... Cannoli - 30/06/2017 03:39:51 PM 1144 Views
The example for this post was for Seattle, or perhaps King County only. damookster - 29/06/2017 11:49:32 PM 1056 Views
"Attract labor"? Minimum wage labor? I believe you mean, violently repell businesses Cannoli - 30/06/2017 03:31:36 PM 1032 Views
Like anything else not addressed in the Constitution, it should be up to state and local government damookster - 30/06/2017 05:22:51 PM 1047 Views
I for one am entirely unsuprised. Common sense result. *NM* Urza - 27/06/2017 06:23:01 AM 628 Views
Seems like a methodology to identify struggling operations more than one to evaluate... Vodalus - 27/06/2017 10:25:30 AM 970 Views
But the traffic is the WORST. Clover - 28/06/2017 12:47:13 AM 1100 Views
You are a Husky? TIL clover is one of the Huskies. Roland00 - 28/06/2017 02:26:46 AM 910 Views
Re: But the traffic is the WORST. Vodalus - 28/06/2017 10:38:54 AM 986 Views
Just to nitpick, Switzerland isn't exactly homogeneous. Legolas - 28/06/2017 10:28:01 PM 1010 Views
Don't say "liberalism" - there's nothing liberal about them. Say "Leftism". *NM* Tom - 27/06/2017 05:07:36 PM 538 Views
I was thinking the same. Even in the US, that's a weird context to use that word in. *NM* Legolas - 27/06/2017 05:50:21 PM 567 Views
Most Americans have no idea about the historical context of Liberalism. The Shrike - 27/06/2017 06:03:38 PM 961 Views
But even so, surely even in the US the main connotation is with social progressives, not economic? Legolas - 27/06/2017 06:28:54 PM 955 Views
I think it started to change in the 1980s Tom - 27/06/2017 07:14:26 PM 864 Views
Re: I think it started to change in the 1980s Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 09:05:23 PM 944 Views
Whether or not their views are shitty is a subjective determination Tom - 27/06/2017 11:15:22 PM 973 Views
A decade under conservative deans would fix the situation nicely, I think. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 11:24:41 PM 902 Views
Yes! I wonder what Dean Wormer from Faber is doing these days... *NM* Tom - 28/06/2017 12:03:46 AM 456 Views
So I've been thinking through this whole minimum wage thing.... Jeordam - 28/06/2017 05:47:26 PM 1047 Views
It varies fairly significantly from location to location. MIT has a decent calculator. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 07:56:41 PM 1502 Views
Re: So I've been thinking through this whole minimum wage thing.... Cannoli - 29/06/2017 05:08:56 AM 1070 Views
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