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If you assume wages can't go lower... Cannoli Send a noteboard - 29/06/2017 04:52:33 AM

Of course increasing the minimum wage is going to accelerate the rate of adoption of automated technologies. But unless you take the patently foolish view that there's no economic pressure to develop automation (there is) and that automation is only going to remain cost-effective at around $15 an hour (it's not), you're merely delaying the inevitable in any case.


Someone can always underbid the machines, once government is no longer mandating a minimum wage.

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Case study of the damage liberalism can do - $15 Min Wage Anonymous2000 - 27/06/2017 01:54:54 AM 1608 Views
Seattle is a poor choice for a case study damookster - 27/06/2017 05:31:18 AM 985 Views
Well, sure, but many of those non-entry level jobs are being held by baby boomers. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 06:09:40 AM 979 Views
That's at least in part because the minimum wage makes automation more cost-effective Cannoli - 27/06/2017 11:04:28 AM 859 Views
Exactly. If you have to pay people $15/hour as a McDonald's cashier, put in the robots instead. Tom - 27/06/2017 07:18:11 PM 915 Views
That is an incredibly silly argument. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 08:56:09 PM 934 Views
If you assume wages can't go lower... Cannoli - 29/06/2017 04:52:33 AM 956 Views
Many? damookster - 27/06/2017 12:30:39 PM 951 Views
Amen. Tom - 27/06/2017 07:21:47 PM 927 Views
Yes, many. My office is full of them. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 08:59:55 PM 866 Views
So is life. damookster - 27/06/2017 09:29:01 PM 888 Views
Re: So is life. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 09:49:21 PM 892 Views
My father worked two jobs his entire working life. damookster - 27/06/2017 09:56:56 PM 901 Views
We have a 40 hour work week for a reason. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 10:17:15 PM 946 Views
That's a piss-poor analogy damookster - 27/06/2017 10:23:04 PM 882 Views
How is that really relevant, then? Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 11:03:34 PM 857 Views
I am really enjoying this new-fangled "like" feature we have now. *NM* Clover - 28/06/2017 12:13:42 AM 629 Views
*NM* Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 12:25:45 AM 497 Views
Personal choice damookster - 28/06/2017 12:20:47 AM 963 Views
Re: Personal choice Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 12:32:31 AM 935 Views
In theory I agree with your ideas about a living wage, however The Shrike - 28/06/2017 12:16:56 PM 958 Views
Very good questions Tom - 28/06/2017 03:01:02 PM 898 Views
FULLY AUTOMATED LUXURY SPACE COMMUNISM. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 07:49:59 PM 1034 Views
Also, curtailing immigration, like keeping the minimum wage low, really only delays the inevitable. Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 11:05:58 PM 905 Views
damn *NM* damookster - 27/06/2017 09:29:01 PM 573 Views
Just retire already, you luddite! *NM* Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 09:45:46 PM 551 Views
I wish. damookster - 27/06/2017 09:48:02 PM 932 Views
Bad life decisions lead to bad life consequences random thoughts - 28/06/2017 05:44:58 PM 887 Views
You also shouldn't respond to it by letting them die. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 07:53:10 PM 911 Views
But this same arguement can be flipped by.... Jeordam - 28/06/2017 10:34:25 PM 979 Views
I feel like you're making my arguments for me here. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 10:51:38 PM 1000 Views
an apt comparison damookster - 28/06/2017 11:09:25 PM 864 Views
So everyone who "can't" nossy - 29/06/2017 09:49:41 AM 905 Views
ummm damookster - 29/06/2017 02:06:54 PM 825 Views
I know. And I disagree with you. nossy - 29/06/2017 04:58:45 PM 945 Views
Health care and minimum wage are different discussions damookster - 29/06/2017 05:14:07 PM 953 Views
I think nossy and I are ok with letting lazy people get by... Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 08:11:36 PM 892 Views
Si nossy - 29/06/2017 09:08:03 PM 918 Views
Who said that? damookster - 29/06/2017 09:47:32 PM 968 Views
Who said what? nossy - 29/06/2017 10:32:12 PM 860 Views
There is a huge difference.... Jeordam - 29/06/2017 05:10:05 PM 926 Views
Hyperbole is all well and good for internet memes but it really doesn' advance your argument. random thoughts - 03/07/2017 04:22:59 PM 822 Views
Why does McDonalds keep coming up in this? Cannoli - 29/06/2017 06:53:46 AM 1073 Views
Nicely said. Or written. *NM* AgentApple - 29/06/2017 09:30:06 AM 531 Views
All right, so what society without minimum wage do you point to as a model? *NM* Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 09:39:12 AM 550 Views
How about "all the ones we had before the 20th century"? Cannoli - 29/06/2017 10:47:30 PM 1036 Views
The ones where hunger and scarcity were widespread? Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 11:04:02 PM 884 Views
So just to put this out there... Jeordam - 29/06/2017 11:12:47 PM 873 Views
Re: So just to put this out there... Ghavrel - 30/06/2017 01:34:03 AM 822 Views
Yes, and me being SUCH a fan of urbanization... Cannoli - 30/06/2017 03:39:51 PM 1067 Views
The example for this post was for Seattle, or perhaps King County only. damookster - 29/06/2017 11:49:32 PM 978 Views
"Attract labor"? Minimum wage labor? I believe you mean, violently repell businesses Cannoli - 30/06/2017 03:31:36 PM 944 Views
Like anything else not addressed in the Constitution, it should be up to state and local government damookster - 30/06/2017 05:22:51 PM 966 Views
I for one am entirely unsuprised. Common sense result. *NM* Urza - 27/06/2017 06:23:01 AM 586 Views
Seems like a methodology to identify struggling operations more than one to evaluate... Vodalus - 27/06/2017 10:25:30 AM 907 Views
But the traffic is the WORST. Clover - 28/06/2017 12:47:13 AM 1014 Views
You are a Husky? TIL clover is one of the Huskies. Roland00 - 28/06/2017 02:26:46 AM 836 Views
Re: But the traffic is the WORST. Vodalus - 28/06/2017 10:38:54 AM 896 Views
Just to nitpick, Switzerland isn't exactly homogeneous. Legolas - 28/06/2017 10:28:01 PM 931 Views
Don't say "liberalism" - there's nothing liberal about them. Say "Leftism". *NM* Tom - 27/06/2017 05:07:36 PM 487 Views
I was thinking the same. Even in the US, that's a weird context to use that word in. *NM* Legolas - 27/06/2017 05:50:21 PM 525 Views
Most Americans have no idea about the historical context of Liberalism. The Shrike - 27/06/2017 06:03:38 PM 890 Views
But even so, surely even in the US the main connotation is with social progressives, not economic? Legolas - 27/06/2017 06:28:54 PM 879 Views
I think it started to change in the 1980s Tom - 27/06/2017 07:14:26 PM 771 Views
Re: I think it started to change in the 1980s Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 09:05:23 PM 879 Views
Whether or not their views are shitty is a subjective determination Tom - 27/06/2017 11:15:22 PM 899 Views
A decade under conservative deans would fix the situation nicely, I think. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 11:24:41 PM 831 Views
Yes! I wonder what Dean Wormer from Faber is doing these days... *NM* Tom - 28/06/2017 12:03:46 AM 405 Views
So I've been thinking through this whole minimum wage thing.... Jeordam - 28/06/2017 05:47:26 PM 974 Views
It varies fairly significantly from location to location. MIT has a decent calculator. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 07:56:41 PM 1420 Views
Re: So I've been thinking through this whole minimum wage thing.... Cannoli - 29/06/2017 05:08:56 AM 983 Views
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