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But this same arguement can be flipped by.... Jeordam Send a noteboard - 28/06/2017 10:34:25 PM

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I'm arguing for food, shelter, and healthcare. Not cars and iPhones.

I'm not letting them die. They are letting themselves die. Why can't they take care of themselves? They are adults, yes? They are responsible for their own lives, yes?

Taken to the nth degree, wouldn't this just be social Darwinism....survival of the fittest? It is cold, cruel, and horrible, and I am by no means advocating for it. However the arguments should be made as to why we would artificially inflate the value of non-skilled labor. Are we going to increase the entire wage-compensation structure accordingly? So that skilled labor that was getting paid $18.50 is going to get a $10 increase too, yes? Isn't that fair?

Or does making some "fair" only count for some.....?

~Jeordam

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Case study of the damage liberalism can do - $15 Min Wage Anonymous2000 - 27/06/2017 01:54:54 AM 1423 Views
Seattle is a poor choice for a case study damookster - 27/06/2017 05:31:18 AM 770 Views
Well, sure, but many of those non-entry level jobs are being held by baby boomers. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 06:09:40 AM 776 Views
That's at least in part because the minimum wage makes automation more cost-effective Cannoli - 27/06/2017 11:04:28 AM 678 Views
Exactly. If you have to pay people $15/hour as a McDonald's cashier, put in the robots instead. Tom - 27/06/2017 07:18:11 PM 749 Views
That is an incredibly silly argument. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 08:56:09 PM 759 Views
If you assume wages can't go lower... Cannoli - 29/06/2017 04:52:33 AM 774 Views
Many? damookster - 27/06/2017 12:30:39 PM 761 Views
Amen. Tom - 27/06/2017 07:21:47 PM 738 Views
Yes, many. My office is full of them. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 08:59:55 PM 686 Views
So is life. damookster - 27/06/2017 09:29:01 PM 717 Views
Re: So is life. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 09:49:21 PM 690 Views
My father worked two jobs his entire working life. damookster - 27/06/2017 09:56:56 PM 721 Views
We have a 40 hour work week for a reason. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 10:17:15 PM 763 Views
That's a piss-poor analogy damookster - 27/06/2017 10:23:04 PM 714 Views
How is that really relevant, then? Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 11:03:34 PM 672 Views
I am really enjoying this new-fangled "like" feature we have now. *NM* Clover - 28/06/2017 12:13:42 AM 528 Views
*NM* Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 12:25:45 AM 392 Views
Personal choice damookster - 28/06/2017 12:20:47 AM 787 Views
Re: Personal choice Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 12:32:31 AM 734 Views
In theory I agree with your ideas about a living wage, however The Shrike - 28/06/2017 12:16:56 PM 738 Views
Very good questions Tom - 28/06/2017 03:01:02 PM 724 Views
FULLY AUTOMATED LUXURY SPACE COMMUNISM. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 07:49:59 PM 843 Views
Also, curtailing immigration, like keeping the minimum wage low, really only delays the inevitable. Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 11:05:58 PM 721 Views
damn *NM* damookster - 27/06/2017 09:29:01 PM 466 Views
Just retire already, you luddite! *NM* Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 09:45:46 PM 472 Views
I wish. damookster - 27/06/2017 09:48:02 PM 744 Views
Bad life decisions lead to bad life consequences random thoughts - 28/06/2017 05:44:58 PM 701 Views
You also shouldn't respond to it by letting them die. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 07:53:10 PM 717 Views
But this same arguement can be flipped by.... Jeordam - 28/06/2017 10:34:25 PM 777 Views
I feel like you're making my arguments for me here. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 10:51:38 PM 810 Views
an apt comparison damookster - 28/06/2017 11:09:25 PM 678 Views
So everyone who "can't" nossy - 29/06/2017 09:49:41 AM 711 Views
ummm damookster - 29/06/2017 02:06:54 PM 635 Views
I know. And I disagree with you. nossy - 29/06/2017 04:58:45 PM 749 Views
Health care and minimum wage are different discussions damookster - 29/06/2017 05:14:07 PM 725 Views
I think nossy and I are ok with letting lazy people get by... Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 08:11:36 PM 722 Views
Si nossy - 29/06/2017 09:08:03 PM 723 Views
Who said that? damookster - 29/06/2017 09:47:32 PM 794 Views
Who said what? nossy - 29/06/2017 10:32:12 PM 670 Views
There is a huge difference.... Jeordam - 29/06/2017 05:10:05 PM 731 Views
Hyperbole is all well and good for internet memes but it really doesn' advance your argument. random thoughts - 03/07/2017 04:22:59 PM 643 Views
Why does McDonalds keep coming up in this? Cannoli - 29/06/2017 06:53:46 AM 862 Views
Nicely said. Or written. *NM* AgentApple - 29/06/2017 09:30:06 AM 435 Views
All right, so what society without minimum wage do you point to as a model? *NM* Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 09:39:12 AM 464 Views
How about "all the ones we had before the 20th century"? Cannoli - 29/06/2017 10:47:30 PM 844 Views
The ones where hunger and scarcity were widespread? Ghavrel - 29/06/2017 11:04:02 PM 697 Views
So just to put this out there... Jeordam - 29/06/2017 11:12:47 PM 681 Views
Re: So just to put this out there... Ghavrel - 30/06/2017 01:34:03 AM 665 Views
Yes, and me being SUCH a fan of urbanization... Cannoli - 30/06/2017 03:39:51 PM 874 Views
The example for this post was for Seattle, or perhaps King County only. damookster - 29/06/2017 11:49:32 PM 785 Views
"Attract labor"? Minimum wage labor? I believe you mean, violently repell businesses Cannoli - 30/06/2017 03:31:36 PM 761 Views
Like anything else not addressed in the Constitution, it should be up to state and local government damookster - 30/06/2017 05:22:51 PM 752 Views
I for one am entirely unsuprised. Common sense result. *NM* Urza - 27/06/2017 06:23:01 AM 420 Views
Seems like a methodology to identify struggling operations more than one to evaluate... Vodalus - 27/06/2017 10:25:30 AM 709 Views
But the traffic is the WORST. Clover - 28/06/2017 12:47:13 AM 800 Views
You are a Husky? TIL clover is one of the Huskies. Roland00 - 28/06/2017 02:26:46 AM 650 Views
Re: But the traffic is the WORST. Vodalus - 28/06/2017 10:38:54 AM 700 Views
Just to nitpick, Switzerland isn't exactly homogeneous. Legolas - 28/06/2017 10:28:01 PM 750 Views
Don't say "liberalism" - there's nothing liberal about them. Say "Leftism". *NM* Tom - 27/06/2017 05:07:36 PM 390 Views
I was thinking the same. Even in the US, that's a weird context to use that word in. *NM* Legolas - 27/06/2017 05:50:21 PM 422 Views
Most Americans have no idea about the historical context of Liberalism. The Shrike - 27/06/2017 06:03:38 PM 706 Views
But even so, surely even in the US the main connotation is with social progressives, not economic? Legolas - 27/06/2017 06:28:54 PM 707 Views
I think it started to change in the 1980s Tom - 27/06/2017 07:14:26 PM 601 Views
Re: I think it started to change in the 1980s Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 09:05:23 PM 676 Views
Whether or not their views are shitty is a subjective determination Tom - 27/06/2017 11:15:22 PM 714 Views
A decade under conservative deans would fix the situation nicely, I think. Ghavrel - 27/06/2017 11:24:41 PM 659 Views
Yes! I wonder what Dean Wormer from Faber is doing these days... *NM* Tom - 28/06/2017 12:03:46 AM 311 Views
So I've been thinking through this whole minimum wage thing.... Jeordam - 28/06/2017 05:47:26 PM 774 Views
It varies fairly significantly from location to location. MIT has a decent calculator. Ghavrel - 28/06/2017 07:56:41 PM 1224 Views
Re: So I've been thinking through this whole minimum wage thing.... Cannoli - 29/06/2017 05:08:56 AM 762 Views
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