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I think it started to change in the 1980s Tom Send a noteboard - 27/06/2017 07:14:26 PM

If you look at the pre-Woodstock/hippie culture in America, you see the phrase "liberal" applied to people in the Democratic Party who were for civil liberties (free speech, free press, etc. ) and who also believed in the New Deal and the idea of the safety net. This was back when the American Civil Liberties Union fought tooth and nail to let the Nazi Party march through Skokie, Illinois, and most of the Left supported the ACLU position as much as they hated the Nazis (1977).

Things started to change when the radical students of the 1960s/early 1970s started to make their way into positions of power. Obviously, a great many of them "sold out" and became yuppies, but the ones who remained radicals self-identified as "liberals" but were pushing a very different agenda. It's gotten to the point now where the Left is saying "hate speech isn't free speech", which is quite simply dead wrong, and where the Left is attempting to shut down discourse and debate. I can think of a great adjective to use to describe people who believe in controlling personal freedoms and having the state heavily regulate and tax private industry for the good of the nation. Of course, that adjective has lost all meaning these days too...

Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

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Case study of the damage liberalism can do - $15 Min Wage - 27/06/2017 01:54:54 AM 1607 Views
Seattle is a poor choice for a case study - 27/06/2017 05:31:18 AM 976 Views
Well, sure, but many of those non-entry level jobs are being held by baby boomers. - 27/06/2017 06:09:40 AM 978 Views
That's at least in part because the minimum wage makes automation more cost-effective - 27/06/2017 11:04:28 AM 854 Views
That is an incredibly silly argument. - 27/06/2017 08:56:09 PM 928 Views
If you assume wages can't go lower... - 29/06/2017 04:52:33 AM 952 Views
Many? - 27/06/2017 12:30:39 PM 950 Views
Amen. - 27/06/2017 07:21:47 PM 924 Views
Yes, many. My office is full of them. - 27/06/2017 08:59:55 PM 865 Views
So is life. - 27/06/2017 09:29:01 PM 885 Views
Re: So is life. - 27/06/2017 09:49:21 PM 885 Views
My father worked two jobs his entire working life. - 27/06/2017 09:56:56 PM 900 Views
We have a 40 hour work week for a reason. - 27/06/2017 10:17:15 PM 940 Views
That's a piss-poor analogy - 27/06/2017 10:23:04 PM 881 Views
How is that really relevant, then? - 27/06/2017 11:03:34 PM 856 Views
I am really enjoying this new-fangled "like" feature we have now. *NM* - 28/06/2017 12:13:42 AM 628 Views
*NM* - 28/06/2017 12:25:45 AM 495 Views
Personal choice - 28/06/2017 12:20:47 AM 959 Views
Re: Personal choice - 28/06/2017 12:32:31 AM 931 Views
In theory I agree with your ideas about a living wage, however - 28/06/2017 12:16:56 PM 957 Views
Very good questions - 28/06/2017 03:01:02 PM 897 Views
FULLY AUTOMATED LUXURY SPACE COMMUNISM. - 28/06/2017 07:49:59 PM 1032 Views
damn *NM* - 27/06/2017 09:29:01 PM 570 Views
Just retire already, you luddite! *NM* - 27/06/2017 09:45:46 PM 550 Views
I wish. - 27/06/2017 09:48:02 PM 931 Views
Bad life decisions lead to bad life consequences - 28/06/2017 05:44:58 PM 880 Views
You also shouldn't respond to it by letting them die. - 28/06/2017 07:53:10 PM 905 Views
But this same arguement can be flipped by.... - 28/06/2017 10:34:25 PM 976 Views
I feel like you're making my arguments for me here. - 28/06/2017 10:51:38 PM 999 Views
an apt comparison - 28/06/2017 11:09:25 PM 858 Views
So everyone who "can't" - 29/06/2017 09:49:41 AM 899 Views
ummm - 29/06/2017 02:06:54 PM 822 Views
I know. And I disagree with you. - 29/06/2017 04:58:45 PM 940 Views
Health care and minimum wage are different discussions - 29/06/2017 05:14:07 PM 948 Views
I think nossy and I are ok with letting lazy people get by... - 29/06/2017 08:11:36 PM 888 Views
Si - 29/06/2017 09:08:03 PM 914 Views
Who said that? - 29/06/2017 09:47:32 PM 965 Views
Who said what? - 29/06/2017 10:32:12 PM 857 Views
There is a huge difference.... - 29/06/2017 05:10:05 PM 925 Views
Why does McDonalds keep coming up in this? - 29/06/2017 06:53:46 AM 1072 Views
Nicely said. Or written. *NM* - 29/06/2017 09:30:06 AM 529 Views
All right, so what society without minimum wage do you point to as a model? *NM* - 29/06/2017 09:39:12 AM 549 Views
How about "all the ones we had before the 20th century"? - 29/06/2017 10:47:30 PM 1035 Views
The ones where hunger and scarcity were widespread? - 29/06/2017 11:04:02 PM 883 Views
So just to put this out there... - 29/06/2017 11:12:47 PM 871 Views
Re: So just to put this out there... - 30/06/2017 01:34:03 AM 818 Views
Yes, and me being SUCH a fan of urbanization... - 30/06/2017 03:39:51 PM 1066 Views
I for one am entirely unsuprised. Common sense result. *NM* - 27/06/2017 06:23:01 AM 584 Views
Seems like a methodology to identify struggling operations more than one to evaluate... - 27/06/2017 10:25:30 AM 899 Views
But the traffic is the WORST. - 28/06/2017 12:47:13 AM 1012 Views
You are a Husky? TIL clover is one of the Huskies. - 28/06/2017 02:26:46 AM 832 Views
Re: But the traffic is the WORST. - 28/06/2017 10:38:54 AM 895 Views
Just to nitpick, Switzerland isn't exactly homogeneous. - 28/06/2017 10:28:01 PM 930 Views
Don't say "liberalism" - there's nothing liberal about them. Say "Leftism". *NM* - 27/06/2017 05:07:36 PM 484 Views
I was thinking the same. Even in the US, that's a weird context to use that word in. *NM* - 27/06/2017 05:50:21 PM 524 Views
Most Americans have no idea about the historical context of Liberalism. - 27/06/2017 06:03:38 PM 886 Views
But even so, surely even in the US the main connotation is with social progressives, not economic? - 27/06/2017 06:28:54 PM 878 Views
I think it started to change in the 1980s - 27/06/2017 07:14:26 PM 769 Views

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