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I think it started to change in the 1980s Tom Send a noteboard - 27/06/2017 07:14:26 PM

If you look at the pre-Woodstock/hippie culture in America, you see the phrase "liberal" applied to people in the Democratic Party who were for civil liberties (free speech, free press, etc. ) and who also believed in the New Deal and the idea of the safety net. This was back when the American Civil Liberties Union fought tooth and nail to let the Nazi Party march through Skokie, Illinois, and most of the Left supported the ACLU position as much as they hated the Nazis (1977).

Things started to change when the radical students of the 1960s/early 1970s started to make their way into positions of power. Obviously, a great many of them "sold out" and became yuppies, but the ones who remained radicals self-identified as "liberals" but were pushing a very different agenda. It's gotten to the point now where the Left is saying "hate speech isn't free speech", which is quite simply dead wrong, and where the Left is attempting to shut down discourse and debate. I can think of a great adjective to use to describe people who believe in controlling personal freedoms and having the state heavily regulate and tax private industry for the good of the nation. Of course, that adjective has lost all meaning these days too...

Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

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Case study of the damage liberalism can do - $15 Min Wage - 27/06/2017 01:54:54 AM 1449 Views
Seattle is a poor choice for a case study - 27/06/2017 05:31:18 AM 816 Views
Well, sure, but many of those non-entry level jobs are being held by baby boomers. - 27/06/2017 06:09:40 AM 800 Views
That's at least in part because the minimum wage makes automation more cost-effective - 27/06/2017 11:04:28 AM 703 Views
That is an incredibly silly argument. - 27/06/2017 08:56:09 PM 785 Views
If you assume wages can't go lower... - 29/06/2017 04:52:33 AM 801 Views
Many? - 27/06/2017 12:30:39 PM 788 Views
Amen. - 27/06/2017 07:21:47 PM 760 Views
Yes, many. My office is full of them. - 27/06/2017 08:59:55 PM 716 Views
So is life. - 27/06/2017 09:29:01 PM 744 Views
Re: So is life. - 27/06/2017 09:49:21 PM 720 Views
My father worked two jobs his entire working life. - 27/06/2017 09:56:56 PM 748 Views
We have a 40 hour work week for a reason. - 27/06/2017 10:17:15 PM 787 Views
That's a piss-poor analogy - 27/06/2017 10:23:04 PM 737 Views
How is that really relevant, then? - 27/06/2017 11:03:34 PM 702 Views
I am really enjoying this new-fangled "like" feature we have now. *NM* - 28/06/2017 12:13:42 AM 545 Views
*NM* - 28/06/2017 12:25:45 AM 406 Views
Personal choice - 28/06/2017 12:20:47 AM 815 Views
Re: Personal choice - 28/06/2017 12:32:31 AM 764 Views
In theory I agree with your ideas about a living wage, however - 28/06/2017 12:16:56 PM 767 Views
Very good questions - 28/06/2017 03:01:02 PM 753 Views
FULLY AUTOMATED LUXURY SPACE COMMUNISM. - 28/06/2017 07:49:59 PM 871 Views
damn *NM* - 27/06/2017 09:29:01 PM 478 Views
Just retire already, you luddite! *NM* - 27/06/2017 09:45:46 PM 486 Views
I wish. - 27/06/2017 09:48:02 PM 775 Views
Bad life decisions lead to bad life consequences - 28/06/2017 05:44:58 PM 729 Views
You also shouldn't respond to it by letting them die. - 28/06/2017 07:53:10 PM 744 Views
But this same arguement can be flipped by.... - 28/06/2017 10:34:25 PM 811 Views
I feel like you're making my arguments for me here. - 28/06/2017 10:51:38 PM 839 Views
an apt comparison - 28/06/2017 11:09:25 PM 703 Views
So everyone who "can't" - 29/06/2017 09:49:41 AM 737 Views
ummm - 29/06/2017 02:06:54 PM 666 Views
I know. And I disagree with you. - 29/06/2017 04:58:45 PM 783 Views
Health care and minimum wage are different discussions - 29/06/2017 05:14:07 PM 758 Views
I think nossy and I are ok with letting lazy people get by... - 29/06/2017 08:11:36 PM 746 Views
Si - 29/06/2017 09:08:03 PM 755 Views
Who said that? - 29/06/2017 09:47:32 PM 820 Views
Who said what? - 29/06/2017 10:32:12 PM 697 Views
There is a huge difference.... - 29/06/2017 05:10:05 PM 761 Views
Why does McDonalds keep coming up in this? - 29/06/2017 06:53:46 AM 893 Views
Nicely said. Or written. *NM* - 29/06/2017 09:30:06 AM 448 Views
All right, so what society without minimum wage do you point to as a model? *NM* - 29/06/2017 09:39:12 AM 475 Views
How about "all the ones we had before the 20th century"? - 29/06/2017 10:47:30 PM 869 Views
The ones where hunger and scarcity were widespread? - 29/06/2017 11:04:02 PM 722 Views
So just to put this out there... - 29/06/2017 11:12:47 PM 710 Views
Re: So just to put this out there... - 30/06/2017 01:34:03 AM 693 Views
Yes, and me being SUCH a fan of urbanization... - 30/06/2017 03:39:51 PM 899 Views
I for one am entirely unsuprised. Common sense result. *NM* - 27/06/2017 06:23:01 AM 504 Views
Seems like a methodology to identify struggling operations more than one to evaluate... - 27/06/2017 10:25:30 AM 731 Views
But the traffic is the WORST. - 28/06/2017 12:47:13 AM 831 Views
You are a Husky? TIL clover is one of the Huskies. - 28/06/2017 02:26:46 AM 679 Views
Re: But the traffic is the WORST. - 28/06/2017 10:38:54 AM 724 Views
Just to nitpick, Switzerland isn't exactly homogeneous. - 28/06/2017 10:28:01 PM 777 Views
Don't say "liberalism" - there's nothing liberal about them. Say "Leftism". *NM* - 27/06/2017 05:07:36 PM 403 Views
I was thinking the same. Even in the US, that's a weird context to use that word in. *NM* - 27/06/2017 05:50:21 PM 436 Views
Most Americans have no idea about the historical context of Liberalism. - 27/06/2017 06:03:38 PM 726 Views
But even so, surely even in the US the main connotation is with social progressives, not economic? - 27/06/2017 06:28:54 PM 742 Views
I think it started to change in the 1980s - 27/06/2017 07:14:26 PM 626 Views

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