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There you go again. Cannoli Send a noteboard - 14/06/2017 07:52:47 PM


Rejected them in record numbers at every level of government? That's funny, considering Democratic candidates won the popular vote for the presidency by 3 million votes and for the Senate by 11 million.

You persist in the delusion that those numbers have any legal meaning whatsoever. In fact, they are distorted by one state with extreme political views and practices, which is locked down by the Democrats. Republicans were not on the ballot in the Senate race in California, where the Democratic winner received 7.5 million votes, and the loser, ALSO A DEMOCRAT, received 4.7 million votes. That, in case your math skills are no better than your research skills, comes to over 12 million votes, in an election with no Republican candidate. Now let's talk about that 11 million vote majority, if you're done playing moron.
Of course the point that the Democratic elite could do with more introspection about the election outcome is valid enough, but as ruining a valid point by throwing in completely unnecessary bullshit goes, this paragraph is almost Trumpian.
Hey, kettle, the pot is filing an anti-defamation suit against you. At this point, "Trumpian" is a step up for you or the people from whom you get your talking points.

That might be because he fails to reach even the basic semblance of adequacy and competence that used to be the norm in politics. Let's not confuse the issue by trying to pretend Trump is a normal president who deserves a normal amount of respect. Here as well, the issue at hand didn't even require such nonsense and the point could've been made without it; ask yourself what things would've been like with, say, President Ted Cruz, and you'll see that a large part of this atmosphere of hatred on the left would've been there even with a serious Republican president, except maybe for the kind of Republican who is so moderate he/she'd never win the primary anyway.
Which is to the point of the article, that the left is deranged and going to extremes.

That rather depends on who 'they' is - certainly, some people on the left are doing that, but if 'they' means Democratic leadership, that's a pretty far-reaching accusation.

And that's an obnoxiously disingenuous distinction. Not that Pelosi and co are above using extreme rhetoric concerning Trump & supporters, but they also benefit by the media's extremism and voluntarily undertaking the role of attack dogs for the Democrats. Obama was able to cruise through his campaigns taking the high road, because journalists would do his mudslinging for him. One e-mail was leaked of a journalist in 2008 to colleagues suggesting that they "make an example" of one of Obama's critics, to smear and trash such a person, in order to send a message that strong criticism would not be tolerated, and the e-mail was rife with violent imagery, like smashing their hypothetical victim through a window and hitting him with a cinder block. Republicans are demonized for connections to violence that exists only in left-wing heads, while Democrats and Leftists commit the overwhelming majority of political violence.

Comparing Trump to Hitler is asinine and, I agree, the kind of hateful rhetoric that we can do without. With you there. The second part is another big stretch, though. Not that Pelosi's statement isn't hyperbolic and cheap, but interpreting 'a grave threat to our planet' as a call to violence is pretty silly.
But Sarah Palin telling supporter to do research on issues because "I want you armed" for a political debate IS a call to violence, as was her use of a map with crosshairs on Democratic districts the GOP hoped to flip in a coming election.

Basically agree with the above, except that a quick check on Wikipedia doesn't back up the bit about Giffords' attacker being left-wing at all (hater of GW Bush, yes, but if those two things were one and the same, one would have to conclude most of the Tea Party is left-wing). Possibly further research would change that.
And if you can find ANY evidence that Loughner shared actual political principles with the Tea Party, let people know. You'll get a chair at the Columbia School of Journalism, if not a Pulitzer.

You could write the above paragraph about rather a long list of left-wing individuals and it would be more or less accurate. That doesn't make it okay or even remotely helpful to write it about 'the political left' as a whole, though. You don't solve the problem of political polarization and demonization of the other side pushing people into violence, by further promoting polarization and further demonizing the other side.
And violence in self-defense is not a real solution to violence, I suppose? It was Sophie Scholl who brought down the Nazis, not Patton?

At this point, it's well beyond calls for civility. It's one thing not to turn the other cheek, but the Right ran out of cheeks more than 50 years ago.



Pot, meet kettle. Kettle, pot. Though the point remains valid even so. There's nothing wrong with focusing first on the faults of the other side, it's what anyone would do - as long as you have the intellectual honesty to then reflect on your own side as well. Maybe not necessarily in the same column - possibly I'm being unfair on this guy. But, like Joe, I can only judge him by the one column.

WHAT REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN DOING THIS STUFF? Aside from an atheistic drug user blowing up the Alfred E Murrah building, there are no acts of political violence by Republicans or Conservatives. Even the only Democratic president ever to be assassinated, was killed by a communist, and it is Democrats who are most supportive of the terrorist demographics. In the haste to protect Muslims, leftists love to point out that most of the terrorism in the US is committed by white people, almost all of whom are Democratic constituents, like environmentalists. To find a Republican committing political violence, you have to go back to President Garfield, who was explicitly killed by a supporter of his more radical vice president.

Cannoli
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The Left Won’t Rest Until Someone Gets Killed - 14/06/2017 02:47:58 PM 1700 Views
Totally agreed with this article... - 14/06/2017 03:58:40 PM 993 Views
The funny thing about violence is you can't control it. - 14/06/2017 04:31:35 PM 937 Views
So you thought that would scare me Tom? - 14/06/2017 09:30:34 PM 900 Views
especially since the gunman has been identified - 14/06/2017 05:42:14 PM 967 Views
And the penny drops... *NM* - 14/06/2017 05:59:30 PM 547 Views
Bernie isn't a Democrat, though - 14/06/2017 06:31:28 PM 932 Views
How embarrassing that he accidentally ran for their presidential nomination! - 14/06/2017 07:18:57 PM 858 Views
Not an accident - 14/06/2017 07:28:12 PM 835 Views
And in Wonder Woman the Movie they wore different hats!!! - 14/06/2017 09:09:57 PM 839 Views
You mean the Clinton cabal stopped him - 15/06/2017 04:22:41 AM 833 Views
I think you give too much credit to the Clintons - 15/06/2017 04:49:26 AM 923 Views
I would have actually respected her more... - 15/06/2017 07:07:08 PM 797 Views
well no other democrats wanted to run against her there was an opening *NM* - 15/06/2017 09:41:50 PM 555 Views
There are valid points, but rather a lot of bullshit inbetween for my taste. - 14/06/2017 07:07:10 PM 1070 Views
Obviously excessive hyperbole is a problem from both sides - 14/06/2017 07:20:59 PM 912 Views
Sure, I will admit that. - 14/06/2017 07:23:24 PM 862 Views
There you go again. - 14/06/2017 07:52:47 PM 911 Views
Yeah, that part sucked.... - 14/06/2017 09:14:10 PM 787 Views
You know what I did? - 15/06/2017 04:16:08 AM 913 Views
Good Idea.... - 15/06/2017 06:59:47 PM 819 Views
Yup. Isn't it shocking? - 14/06/2017 09:18:45 PM 883 Views
I find myself drifting more and more to the right - 14/06/2017 08:26:26 PM 832 Views
I don't, or at least not in an American context, but I agree about the dead horse. - 14/06/2017 09:32:23 PM 938 Views
That's not correct. - 15/06/2017 04:19:06 AM 933 Views
I agree with Tom's premise, if not the content. - 15/06/2017 09:46:57 AM 893 Views
I really should post more. We're letting Tom and Cannoli get away with far too much. *NM* - 15/06/2017 10:12:53 AM 482 Views
YES, YOU SHOULD - 15/06/2017 11:09:34 AM 838 Views
Agreed. *NM* - 15/06/2017 02:45:40 PM 919 Views
It would still be a pretty right-wing site - 15/06/2017 02:58:30 PM 922 Views
funny you would say that - 15/06/2017 03:20:58 PM 909 Views
I so miss Camilla. - 15/06/2017 08:50:36 PM 846 Views
Camilla and the Aussies were our lefty leaders - 15/06/2017 09:04:12 PM 940 Views
God I miss Wads - 15/06/2017 10:29:38 PM 933 Views
D'oh! *NM* - 15/06/2017 03:20:58 PM 522 Views
*NM* - 15/06/2017 04:37:56 PM 571 Views
I never could tell when you were being sarcastic and when not. On the whole I'm thinking yes. *NM* - 15/06/2017 08:48:54 PM 448 Views
Hmm... I miss Camilla too. - 15/06/2017 08:55:04 PM 716 Views
Sad but true - the left is truly unhinged, full of violence and hate - 15/06/2017 03:36:20 AM 832 Views
I was considering making a post called "what the fuck is wrong with progressives?" - 15/06/2017 06:49:10 AM 943 Views
It's because they have begun to eat themselves. - 15/06/2017 02:14:23 PM 850 Views
Yeah, but... - 15/06/2017 02:46:51 PM 928 Views
yes, that - 15/06/2017 03:20:00 PM 851 Views
The day I realized that I didn't know every damned thing was when I at last gained a little wisdom. - 15/06/2017 03:30:07 PM 824 Views
I get where you're coming from, but... - 15/06/2017 05:01:13 PM 834 Views
Isn't that a good characterization of much of the Left? - 15/06/2017 04:09:10 PM 800 Views
Maybe? A large section of the academic left, anyway - 15/06/2017 05:17:14 PM 766 Views
Well, yeah - 15/06/2017 04:36:37 PM 853 Views
The Wheel of Time turns, and Ages come and pass... - 15/06/2017 10:40:42 PM 924 Views
I can promise you they haven't read their history. - 16/06/2017 12:25:56 AM 719 Views
No offense intended, but have *you* read it carefully? - 16/06/2017 01:41:19 AM 1014 Views
I've read it somewhat carefully. I think I said my point poorly, though. - 16/06/2017 03:23:26 AM 840 Views
An obsession with the rule of law in Weimar Germany? - 16/06/2017 04:26:30 AM 779 Views
She blocked me after telling me to go fuck myself. - 16/06/2017 04:38:43 AM 738 Views
Sounds like a winner, that one - 16/06/2017 02:20:19 PM 877 Views
Poor Weimar. - 16/06/2017 12:32:09 PM 803 Views
Ha! - 16/06/2017 03:00:38 PM 777 Views
Their shenanigans actually hurt their cause. - 15/06/2017 03:32:09 PM 888 Views
Also, they're just puerile. Pussy hats? Seriously? If you want to be taken seriously, dress properly - 16/06/2017 12:36:36 AM 906 Views
A short webcomic for you ghavrel - 16/06/2017 01:54:00 AM 856 Views
Most Americans laugh at "microaggressions" and phrases like "toxic masculinity" - 16/06/2017 04:31:40 AM 722 Views
I unironically use some of those - 16/06/2017 04:42:21 AM 948 Views
Quit gaslighting me, dude *NM* - 16/06/2017 02:18:17 PM 479 Views
Why do you hate the word gaslighting? - 16/06/2017 08:42:34 PM 778 Views
It's used by progressives whenever someone disagrees with them. - 16/06/2017 11:24:03 PM 925 Views
So let me come at this from a different angle - 17/06/2017 04:48:37 AM 850 Views
You're overthinking this. - 17/06/2017 10:28:47 AM 909 Views
What are you even talking about? - 17/06/2017 11:01:42 AM 958 Views
POC - 16/06/2017 01:54:31 PM 792 Views
I would assume "POC" meant "piece of crap" - 16/06/2017 02:17:07 PM 790 Views
Point of Contact - 16/06/2017 03:09:26 PM 1006 Views
WTF? "Good needs"? That doesn't even make any sense! - 16/06/2017 05:55:45 PM 874 Views
I have some good needs - 16/06/2017 06:07:35 PM 793 Views
I'll just bet you do. *NM* - 16/06/2017 06:13:23 PM 477 Views
Neither does "handicapped", honestly - 16/06/2017 07:18:15 PM 855 Views
It will stop, the robots will one day take over - 16/06/2017 08:41:03 PM 888 Views
My opinion on this - 16/06/2017 08:39:40 PM 1051 Views
No - 17/06/2017 07:11:17 AM 780 Views
Belas, a rhetorical question, where do monsters come from? *NM* - 17/06/2017 08:58:00 AM 479 Views
These come from institutions of higher "learning" *NM* - 17/06/2017 05:07:47 PM 537 Views
under the bed or in the bedroom closet. d'uh. *NM* - 17/06/2017 05:30:05 PM 483 Views
POP - 16/06/2017 09:07:28 PM 913 Views
Thought you were going to make a People of Penes / Penii joke - 16/06/2017 09:43:31 PM 855 Views
That is the way I started to feel about the conserative movement - 15/06/2017 09:41:07 PM 818 Views
President Mike Pence - 15/06/2017 03:53:15 PM 842 Views
LOL - 15/06/2017 03:56:37 PM 816 Views
Too much Jacobin. Not enough Jacques. - 15/06/2017 09:58:27 PM 898 Views
RAWR, bows down to the sexiness - 15/06/2017 10:45:41 PM 796 Views

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