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No, I mean I am talking in an OOU POV, while you are being overly defensive from an IU POV. Dunstan Send a noteboard - 01/06/2017 08:34:29 PM

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You're using two extremes when it comes to knowledge and skill.
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Though you can make the argument that if you do not use the male or female halves of the one power and instead use the True Power directly from the Dark One you can travel in the way that is more similar to Nightcrawler and that is what you see when the Forsake travel in the first 3 books or so you are really seeing one of the firsts uses of the True Power traveling and not the One Power traveling.

Even LTT did it in the prologue. That's without even touching on the fact that the other Forsaken would never spam, or even just "use", the TP for anything not life threatening.


LTT in the prologue was already Mad and then cured from Madness in the prologue except he is still quite fucked up. Perhaps this has something to do with the traveling style in the prologue, for LTT due to him hurting before his suicide did not think of a more effective way to travel for he was hurting and emotional.

Now LTT in the 2nd age and the other people could access the TP in a more direct way every since the bore was widen which started the events that led to the downfall of the age of legends. Since we know Rand Al Thor somehow can learn how to channel almost instinctively the TP with very little training even though the weaves are different would it not be suprising that LTT knows how to travel via the TP prior to everyone wising up learning about the Dark One and then the male group of Aes Sedai decide to seal up the bore?

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Even LTT did it in the prologue. That's without even touching on the fact that the other Forsaken would never spam, or even just "use", the TP for anything not life threatening.

The forsaken are mad, so first do not try to figure them out with logic. They have an own form of internal consistency but one of the plot points is the shadow causes you to take an ideal to a extreme conclusion and if you were more mindful and introspective you realize you need to restrain this absurd ideal before it gets absurd with a contrasting ideal to keep it in check.

You can figure out which of the forsaken travel in the TP way but if I recall it was Ishmael aka the crazy fanatic, and the Lanfear the crazy woman who is still in love with the man who constantly rejects her. Lanfear's plan in the early books is to make Rand Al Thor mad enough that he will abandon all reason and fall for her feminine wiles and her promises of power. Eventually the two will use the gendered Choedan Kal Sangreal and take out the dark one. This is possible for Sangreal not directly in WOT but instead are inspired via the holy grail and the the two different journeys of a spiral can partake, one form is journeying inward into your own internal world and ascending to heaven from within while the other is journeying outward and descending from heaven to earth. Remember the spirals are what you get when a wheel does not return directly to itself but instead moves forward into new possibilities, aka the world is constantly turning just like the wheel of time is constantly turning, and turns always something new but also similar to the past but not a perfect recreation. The Wheel weaves as the Wheel wills, and we are only the thread of the Pattern.



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Now I do not have much more to say besides WoT has many good ideas but does a horrible job of implementing them due to Jordan getting lost in his narrative and world building without a good idea of what to do from moment to moment.


AND we've seen what TP Traveling looks like from the channelers POV, and it certainly isn't just "is on place, and then is suddenly somewhere else".








I mean, I guess you could go full "death of the author" and say "well, it clearly happened, so such teleportation must be possible". And it's not like the Protal Stones stopped existing, so sure...


... And then everyone, who had been exclusively using this unnamed weave until then mind, suddenly forget it even existed after Gateway traveling came onto the scene, and vowed to never use it again... At least until someone pointed out it happening in the prologue to RJ, at which point it was suddenly Traveling with the TP... Inspite of Traveling with the TP having already been depicted by then as ripping a hole in the Pattern, and going through it. While the case in the prologue involved a guy standing perfectly still...

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Can you explain the retcon to those of us a few years out from the latest reread? *NM* - 31/05/2017 09:27:58 AM 319 Views
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LTT's presence in Rand's mind makes Rand a shit standard here. - 01/06/2017 07:52:54 PM 575 Views
"Knowledge and skill" don't really matter here. Neither help him do what can't be done at all *NM* - 01/06/2017 07:56:19 PM 476 Views
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No, I mean I am talking in an OOU POV, while you are being overly defensive from an IU POV. - 01/06/2017 08:34:29 PM 596 Views
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