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And I believe I'm in the "that was pretty good" camp. Werthead Send a noteboard - 09/04/2012 01:02:02 AM

Secondly, yes, it's possible to get the Geth and the Quarians to work together, but it's also difficult. There aren't many paths that lead that way, and most players will see the attempt at resolution literally blow itself to pieces. You can just as easily argue that the theme there is that cooperation is unrealistic.

I disagree that 'most' players won't get to see this option. Based on BioWare's stats, it sounds like most players do take a Paragon path through the trilogy and also a completist one (doin missions as they arise and so on). To get the cooperation option you need to have rescued the Quarian admiral and to have a reasonable Paragon score (IIRC, your choice with the geth programmes in ME2 plays a part, but not a critical one).

Yeah, you do have to work at it, and Renegades won't get to see it at all, but the fact that it's a little bit of work to get it done simply points out it's worth it. And I don't think anyone would argue that getting the two races to cooperate (which, among other things, boosts your forces in the final battle) is not the best outcome.

This one is a lot easier to rationalize. Right before you go into the beacon, the radio chatter specifically says that the entire hammer was destroyed, and that no one made it to the beam. Says the team was wiped out to a man. So let's say you're Joker, sitting up there in your fancy ship and you hear that the attack failed, and Shepard is dead. What do you do? Well, you try to rescue whichever friends are left and get outta dodge. It seems totally reasonable to me that Joker and company were fleeing from earth.

Now, there is the thing about Hackett calling Shepard, but that's not a big deal. Either:
1) Joker was already gone
or
2) Hackett was addressing a private channel that joker didn't have access to.

This is okay as far as it goes, except that Hackett and the rest of the combined fleet clearly did not believe the mission was bust even after the failure of the ground assault (Hackett's warships had driven the Reaper forces from the Citadel and were able to secure a perimeter so they could dock the Crucible to it). Joker bailing on the other Earth forces (and Tali bailing on the Quarians, Garrus on the Turians etc) is out of character, even if he did assume Shepard was dead. In addition, it would probably take more time to land the Normandy, round up the other crew and then flee then it did for Shepard to stumble into the beam, have his talk with TIM and open the Citadel arms (and it is possible that communicaton was not possible until the arms opened, either as that was the first sign to the fleet that Shepard was alive or the closure of the arms was blocking transmissions).

The biggest problem is that it is simply not chronologically possible for Normandy to land, pick everyone up, get to the Mass Relay and then get to another system in the few minutes the ending spans.

Take Inception, for example (spoilers for those who haven't watched). The ending to that was very much the same. You don't know if any of it really happened, and no follow-ups were planned. Why hate on Mass Effect so much?

INCEPTION is presented as a weird, dream-like and offbeat movie from the start where the ending is well foreshadowed by earlier events and the premise.

MASS EFFECT, on the other hand, is a pretty standard space opera for 99% of its length and only turns into a vague, mystery-heavy and interpretations-required story in its closing minutes.

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Mass Effect 3 and the Ending From Hell (massive spoilers if you haven't finished the game) Werthead - 18/03/2012 07:13:16 PM 1422 Views

The ending was extremely terrible considering the rest of the game. MightyYT - 18/03/2012 08:27:24 PM 946 Views

It is possible to reconcile the Quarians and Geth. They end up sharing Rannoch. *NM* lord-of-shadow - 24/03/2012 04:25:18 PM 510 Views

Yeah, you need to make a Paragon choice in the final conversation. Werthead - 27/03/2012 02:12:18 PM 993 Views

Rewriting/destroying the Heretics and Tali and Legions loyalty from ME2 also count. *NM* Bergioyn - 01/04/2012 09:10:13 AM 414 Views

Yes. Unfortunately you need those things too. Aemon - 07/04/2012 01:51:11 AM 950 Views

That sucks. Luckily I had my saves saved. *NM* Bergioyn - 07/04/2012 09:48:53 AM 421 Views

Yeah. I mean I could have downloaded a save, but I didn't realize it was that important. Aemon - 07/04/2012 06:09:42 PM 918 Views

Worst ending ever. *NM* Urza - 18/03/2012 09:17:30 PM 414 Views

Well said! Is that true about the original ending though? A Deathwatch Guard - 18/03/2012 09:18:41 PM 1049 Views

I hope indoctrination ia the case and we get dlc. The ending(s) was a serious dissapointment. *NM* Bergioyn - 20/03/2012 04:53:18 PM 462 Views

I thought the ending was good, though I didn't like it. Dannymac - 22/03/2012 04:33:30 PM 927 Views

Yeah. I had an immediate, powerful, and visceral dislike of the ending. lord-of-shadow - 24/03/2012 04:31:33 PM 962 Views

I hated the ending Sidious - 26/03/2012 11:19:35 AM 998 Views

That ending took effort. AliasRY - 26/03/2012 11:48:28 AM 1016 Views

There is some good stuff out there, and brilliant if you are prepared to go old-school. Werthead - 27/03/2012 02:10:20 PM 862 Views

Thanks for recommendations. AliasRY - 30/03/2012 04:46:42 AM 1061 Views

I can't stand Obsidian. MightyYT - 30/03/2012 09:25:27 AM 857 Views

Granted, I had the benefit of playing the game long after release... A Deathwatch Guard - 30/03/2012 09:31:58 AM 802 Views

Yeah, New Vegas has been patched now. Werthead - 31/03/2012 09:52:29 PM 885 Views

I played all of these games on the console... MightyYT - 31/03/2012 11:50:26 PM 851 Views

Yes, because that's how the video game industry works. Dan - 02/04/2012 05:17:33 PM 934 Views

If they'd done that they would have been fired or sued. Werthead - 04/04/2012 12:09:15 AM 845 Views

I think Morrowind and the 2 expansions and Oblivion were the some of the last PC games I played. MightyYT - 04/04/2012 03:29:11 AM 908 Views

Doubling down on your stupidity, I see. Good for you. Dan - 04/04/2012 03:39:02 PM 915 Views

I tend to ignore people like you. MightyYT - 05/04/2012 12:07:12 PM 818 Views

Bethesda break quests all the time. Even BioWare do that. Werthead - 04/04/2012 06:59:18 PM 995 Views

I had a main-quest bug in SKYRIM involving Parthunax and the Blades. Ghavrel - 05/04/2012 10:56:19 AM 770 Views

I was only given 2 options at the end Sir Tybalt - 06/04/2012 11:35:50 PM 1051 Views

Blue is control. *NM* Bergioyn - 07/04/2012 09:36:41 AM 402 Views

Exactly, it was entirely not clear which was which ironclad - 17/06/2012 04:34:31 PM 916 Views

Re: Exactly, it was entirely not clear which was which Bergioyn - 17/06/2012 10:36:57 PM 808 Views

Re: Exactly, it was entirely not clear which was which ironclad - 17/06/2012 10:52:11 PM 842 Views

Re: Exactly, it was entirely not clear which was which Bergioyn - 18/06/2012 09:12:17 AM 863 Views

ME2 ironclad - 18/06/2012 12:39:05 PM 953 Views

Only the face was bugged (it's patched now), everything else is (and was) imported correctly. *NM* Bergioyn - 18/06/2012 08:09:12 PM 383 Views

I can finally read this thread.

And I believe I'm in the "that was pretty good" camp. Aemon - 07/04/2012 04:31:45 AM 882 Views

I take issue with one of your issues

A Deathwatch Guard - 08/04/2012 12:20:00 AM 950 Views

Re: I take issue with one of your issues

Aemon - 09/04/2012 03:19:07 PM 889 Views

Re: I take issue with one of your issues

Sir Tybalt - 10/04/2012 02:56:49 PM 994 Views

Re: I can finally read this thread.

And I believe I'm in the "that was pretty good" camp. Werthead - 09/04/2012 01:02:02 AM 993 Views

Re: I can finally read this thread.

And I believe I'm in the "that was pretty good" camp. Aemon - 09/04/2012 03:08:35 PM 815 Views

It's possible your Rannoch decision was bugged. Ghavrel - 10/04/2012 08:36:08 PM 735 Views

Could be. I'm a little hesitant to go around crying bug, but that's always a possibility. *NM* Aemon - 10/04/2012 09:30:40 PM 419 Views

For my friends, it wasn't an option at first... (spoilers) MightyYT - 20/04/2012 09:53:59 AM 782 Views

I had the same situation with the Geth and Quarians Sir Tybalt - 11/04/2012 10:48:41 PM 851 Views

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<quote id="249070"><quote id="248982">Secondly, yes, it's possible to get the Geth and the Quarians to work together, but it's also difficult. There aren't many paths that lead that way, and most players will see the attempt at resolution literally blow itself to pieces. You can just as easily argue that the theme there is that cooperation is unrealistic.</quote></quote>

<quote id="249070">I disagree that 'most' players won't get to see this option. Based on BioWare's stats, it sounds like most players do take a Paragon path through the trilogy and also a completist one (doin missions as they arise and so on). To get the cooperation option you need to have rescued the Quarian admiral and to have a reasonable Paragon score (IIRC, your choice with the geth programmes in ME2 plays a part, but not a critical one).</quote>

<quote id="249070">Yeah, you do have to work at it, and Renegades won't get to see it at all, but the fact that it's a little bit of work to get it done simply points out it's worth it. And I don't think anyone would argue that getting the two races to cooperate (which, among other things, boosts your forces in the final battle) is not the best outcome.</quote>

<quote id="249070"><quote>This one is a lot easier to rationalize. Right before you go into the beacon, the radio chatter specifically says that the entire hammer was destroyed, and that no one made it to the beam. Says the team was wiped out to a man. So let's say you're Joker, sitting up there in your fancy ship and you hear that the attack failed, and Shepard is dead. What do you do? Well, you try to rescue whichever friends are left and get outta dodge. It seems totally reasonable to me that Joker and company were fleeing from earth. </quote>

<quote id="249070">Now, there is the thing about Hackett calling Shepard, but that's not a big deal. Either:</quote>

<quote id="249070">1) Joker was already gone</quote>

<quote id="249070">2) Hackett was addressing a private channel that joker didn't have access to.</quote></quote>

<quote id="249070">This is okay as far as it goes, except that Hackett and the rest of the combined fleet clearly did not believe the mission was bust even after the failure of the ground assault (Hackett's warships had driven the Reaper forces from the Citadel and were able to secure a perimeter so they could dock the Crucible to it). Joker bailing on the other Earth forces (and Tali bailing on the Quarians, Garrus on the Turians etc) is out of character, even if he did assume Shepard was dead. In addition, it would probably take more time to land the Normandy, round up the other crew and then flee then it did for Shepard to stumble into the beam, have his talk with TIM and open the Citadel arms (and it is possible that communicaton was not possible until the arms opened, either as that was the first sign to the fleet that Shepard was alive or the closure of the arms was blocking transmissions).</quote>

<quote id="249070">The biggest problem is that it is simply not chronologically possible for Normandy to land, pick everyone up, get to the Mass Relay and then get to another system in the few minutes the ending spans.</quote>

<quote id="249070"><quote>Take Inception, for example (spoilers for those who haven't watched). The ending to that was very much the same. You don't know if any of it really happened, and no follow-ups were planned. Why hate on Mass Effect so much? </quote></quote>

<quote id="249070">INCEPTION is presented as a weird, dream-like and offbeat movie from the start where the ending is well foreshadowed by earlier events and the premise.</quote>

<quote id="249070">MASS EFFECT, on the other hand, is a pretty standard space opera for 99% of its length and only turns into a vague, mystery-heavy and interpretations-required story in its closing minutes.</quote>

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