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Plot doesn't kick in until later on, sadly Jragghen Send a noteboard - 26/09/2009 07:27:55 PM
Because from an intellectual point of view, I should have loved FFXII. I enjoy the idea of a more political, down-to-earth conflict; I like politics and nations in my stories; I enjoy worlds that feel fairly real. I also strongly support any effort to move storytelling in games beyond the status quo. Reading your post down below, I agree 100%.

But in the end, I couldn't finish XII. Just dropped it after a few hours; it was not able to hold my attention. Granted, the reasons for that are tied to gameplay even more than to story and plot, but something about the execution of the characters and plot played a role as well.


And even then, it's obvious that it was three stories (Basch-centric, Ashe-centric, and Balthier-centric) working against one another, at times, while simultaneously being told from the perspective of a person just along for the ride with nothing to add who was made the "main" character for appeal to demographic purposes.

It went through so many changes in its development that it ran headlong into some storytelling difficulties at times, but the actual performance of the translation and the voice actors made it work.

Even for just your little bit of time, try to tell me it wouldn't have been a better game with just this tiny little switch: Vaan and Penelo don't exist. Instead of being killed, Vaan's brother lives, and is the main character. You can go through the same general motions in terms of plot, but the reaction and the inter-character play would have been vastly superior. Instead of Vaan confronting Basch on his brother's behalf, his brother does so directly. Balthier having to be a pirate while confronting a former member of the military would provide better interplay, etc.

As far as the gameplay aspects are concerned, it's a love it or hate it thing. Can't blame you, but I enjoyed the entire system which was MMO-esque. I liked how status effects actually mattered. I liked just running around killing stuff. I liked how enemies didn't just straight-up drop gold. *shrug*
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So being a FF fan and never having played FF 12... - 24/09/2009 10:25:44 PM 867 Views
The story in FF12 leaves much to be desired - 24/09/2009 10:41:28 PM 753 Views
I love FF but I didn't even bother to finish 12 *NM* - 24/09/2009 10:45:55 PM 329 Views
Videogame stories suck the big one, with VERY few exceptions. - 25/09/2009 12:29:39 AM 697 Views
FF7?!?! You're a nutcase! - 25/09/2009 01:50:16 AM 649 Views
It was still good though - 26/09/2009 03:06:12 AM 540 Views
Fair enough. Maybe I'm proving my own point. - 26/09/2009 06:46:26 AM 699 Views
I will have to disagree with this... - 26/09/2009 08:20:46 AM 600 Views
Exactly. When I think story here, I think of the individual stories as well as the whole. - 26/09/2009 07:13:24 PM 717 Views
Still, it's good for a videogame story. - 26/09/2009 07:54:01 PM 638 Views
I agree, with caveat. - 26/09/2009 11:54:25 PM 750 Views
New games do not feature the storytelling prowess of good TV, films, or novels. - 28/09/2009 01:03:46 AM 663 Views
I disagree. Maybe you're playing the wrong games. *NM* - 28/09/2009 04:51:48 AM 318 Views
What is the videogame equivalent of The Godfather, The Wire, or Great Expectations? *NM* - 01/10/2009 03:31:37 AM 335 Views
Ah, I see. *NM* - 03/10/2009 08:02:28 PM 354 Views
Say what? - 04/10/2009 02:21:01 PM 602 Views
"Ah, I see" means "You haven't answered because there is no satisfactory answer." - 05/10/2009 07:06:03 AM 621 Views
So you expect me to reply within two days when it took you three? - 05/10/2009 10:29:27 PM 560 Views
I've used that escape from a debate I was losing, too. It's a good one - 06/10/2009 09:21:31 PM 669 Views
I... don't think you understand how this works. - 06/10/2009 11:41:12 PM 613 Views
Anything of worth? - 09/10/2009 03:24:42 AM 599 Views
Cymbaline is right. Some games have excellent stories. - 29/09/2009 10:44:16 AM 591 Views
And yet so many people claim to play them for their stories... - 25/09/2009 03:06:44 AM 696 Views
The extras lower peoples' standards, but I DO think it's still the story. - 25/09/2009 04:34:30 AM 596 Views
That's basically what I meant. - 25/09/2009 05:05:19 AM 582 Views
Yeah I understand. - 25/09/2009 05:18:34 AM 661 Views
You are correct. But it sounds like semantics to me, since in practice... - 25/09/2009 06:00:41 AM 613 Views
I suppose it is, at that. - 25/09/2009 01:58:25 PM 651 Views
Well said. - 26/09/2009 06:48:10 AM 623 Views
I enjoyed 12 more than most of those you mentioned... - 25/09/2009 12:55:56 AM 602 Views
I agree. *NM* - 25/09/2009 02:44:08 AM 419 Views
The grid was fine, but didn't scale well. - 25/09/2009 04:35:57 AM 592 Views
I'll agree with this point, but I also agree with most of the thoughts of the GP - 25/09/2009 05:26:18 PM 661 Views
I am glad that at least one person here is with me on this. - 26/09/2009 05:53:42 AM 628 Views
It's interesting.... - 26/09/2009 06:55:18 PM 652 Views
Plot doesn't kick in until later on, sadly - 26/09/2009 07:27:55 PM 605 Views
I partially agree with LoS, and I partially disagree with you. - 27/09/2009 12:07:07 AM 694 Views
Opinion mine: 12 was a great game, and a terrible Final Fantasy. - 25/09/2009 05:03:28 AM 666 Views
I didn't like it and didn't finish *NM* - 25/09/2009 05:34:42 AM 312 Views
i finished it recently and i found it allright - 25/09/2009 11:30:36 AM 814 Views
Final Fantasy XII was the best written FF ever, by far. - 26/09/2009 05:47:27 AM 673 Views
I agree with this. - 26/09/2009 08:22:40 AM 657 Views
LOL... FFXII was the best FFXII ever? - 26/09/2009 03:43:11 PM 623 Views
That was juvenile, TMJ. Also, he said best written FF. *NM* - 26/09/2009 06:58:12 PM 357 Views
Yes, it was funny on a juvenile level. - 26/09/2009 07:11:12 PM 621 Views
Ah, I must have missed the typo. - 26/09/2009 08:32:51 PM 677 Views
So much confusion everywhere! - 26/09/2009 11:48:32 PM 694 Views
Some of us --I'd even say MOST of us-- like that, though. - 26/09/2009 07:20:55 PM 663 Views
Agreed, I want to get into a magical whale's belly and fly through the air ... - 28/09/2009 05:03:14 AM 866 Views

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