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Questions of morality are the great fun of philosophy . Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 21/09/2011 05:24:50 AM
I'd say that when confronted with "Save baby or death", and you choose to walk away because you value your own life more than the stranger-baby's, that's a pretty "neutral" reaction. I don't think self-preservation is evil.


Well, his example only said that death was a probable outcome, not an assured one. But yes, I did acknowledge that this would only be my perspective. I think it would be evil. Others might not. The other thing he mentioned though was doing what one wishes regardless of good and evil and only caring about oneself. And those two, I'm quite confident I'm not alone in considering evil.

I think fuzzy areas like this are part of the reason why you just don't see them...it's hard to determine how these actions would go in a game where things have to have a value. If you didn't save the baby, do you get good, evil, or neutral points? If you DID save the baby, would that be a good action, or an "expected neutral" action? The game developers would end up having to make ethical judgements on certain actions, and they may be hesitant to do so.


True. But then, I reckon that's pretty much the only point of making an alignment system anyway. I mean, if your only choices are going to be Sir Galahad or Puppy-kicking Palpatine, you might as well just choose one option at the beginning and have the appropriate responses selected automatically. I mean, if the only morality choices are going to be blindingly obvious, then there's no choice at all. You're not going to brusquely change your character's alignment mid-game, especially if consistency grants you bonuses. The only point I can see to these choices is if you can actually make choices you have actual dilemmas.
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Take Knights of the Old Republic, for example - 20/09/2011 05:08:04 PM 624 Views
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thank you for phrasing that better than me *NM* - 20/09/2011 11:11:54 PM 264 Views
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I'd say that's evil. - 21/09/2011 03:00:32 AM 694 Views
of course, then you get into question of whether actions like that example are evil - 21/09/2011 04:03:03 AM 578 Views
Questions of morality are the great fun of philosophy . - 21/09/2011 05:24:50 AM 530 Views
Re: I'd say that's evil. - 21/09/2011 06:23:11 PM 676 Views
Re: I'd say that's evil. - 21/09/2011 10:21:17 PM 684 Views
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See, what you're talking about IS in fact considered EVIL. - 21/09/2011 08:33:30 PM 561 Views
You might want to try The Witcher series. - 21/09/2011 05:16:05 AM 546 Views
I just played the first one... - 21/09/2011 02:14:13 PM 603 Views
Grey decisions are good but... - 21/09/2011 06:19:04 PM 637 Views
they don't reward it because, for the most part, they don't want you taking a middle ground. - 21/09/2011 07:10:48 PM 520 Views
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if they wanted to make the conversation mechanics more complicated... - 21/09/2011 07:14:21 PM 642 Views
I don't care if it's complicated so long as it's clear. - 22/09/2011 08:27:46 PM 535 Views
I agree with this, actually. *NM* - 22/09/2011 09:17:23 PM 279 Views
I agree with that, too. *NM* - 22/09/2011 10:38:15 PM 268 Views

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