In double checking I did go by there, but somehow read the part about Saladin using the story to mean it had some kernel of truth originally. Probably because the article says the first Western account was in 1663, nearly half a millennium after Saladin came to power. I'm not sure what relevance the first Western account has anyway; the one to verify is the oldest, not the oldest of one region. Still, the only actual outside citation there is to the recent book in which the claim about Saladin was made, which means all that's firmly established at the Wikipedia article is that the story predates the one from 1663. It seems likely that most of the damage had been done well before Islam even existed though, and my reference was more in the vein of "played a role" than "bears the blame" (as a rule I like to blame Caesars armies, but wtf really knows...?)
And he says the oldest sources of the story date to more or less Saladin's time, so late 12th century, hence the theory that Saladin would've promulgated the story.
It does remain mystifying how it is that there seems to be a range of half a millennium and more between the earliest and latest estimates of when the library was destroyed, although I suppose that means it likely wasn't all destroyed in one big conflagration, but in several steps.
That seems to be the consensus, less a question of "who destroyed it?" than "who did the most damage?" Since it's impossible to say at this date there's reason to believe that later assaults may have only finished the job largely done by previous ones. The attack by Caesars troops seems particularly aggressive to me, reminiscent of what the legions of Titus did to the Second Temple in Jerusalem: We have large numbers of relatively unsupervised and unrestrained soldiers in a politically tense environment suddenly grasping lit torches. Given the effects that had on the Temple it's not hard to imagine how it would've been especially devastating to centuries old papyrus. But that's mostly just speculation on my part; again, there's really no way to know today.
EDIT: You knew whom I meant.
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This message last edited by Joel on 13/04/2010 at 09:31:41 AM
I know I just did a survey, but this was too good to pass up.
07/04/2010 12:44:15 AM
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Myself: World War I.
07/04/2010 12:45:57 AM
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I don't think it's that simple.
07/04/2010 12:57:16 AM
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I see your point.
07/04/2010 01:02:33 AM
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True, one might even say *adding* a war there would've improved things.
07/04/2010 01:36:07 AM
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Re: True, one might even say *adding* a war there would've improved things.
07/04/2010 10:48:49 AM
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I had a teacher with an interesting theory related to that
07/04/2010 12:57:49 AM
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Well, at this time, it was pretty well accepted that Russia wasn't exactly a techinical power.
07/04/2010 01:04:35 AM
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The Plague
07/04/2010 12:52:33 AM
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Re: The Plague
07/04/2010 01:05:35 AM
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He must be talking about a different plague, but I'm not sure which one, either. *NM*
07/04/2010 01:37:32 AM
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Maybe; there were episodic plague epidemics before and after that time.
07/04/2010 02:05:18 AM
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I am talking about one of the plagues not THE plague
07/04/2010 02:50:25 AM
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Re: I am talking about one of the plagues not THE plague
07/04/2010 08:45:26 PM
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I'm so glad you have the time and inclination to type up these replies. *NM*
08/04/2010 07:09:22 AM
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...?
08/04/2010 07:51:14 PM
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Sounds like he was thanking you for saving him the effort of writing a similar reply. *NM*
08/04/2010 09:28:55 PM
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OK, think this one's been pretty thoroughly covered in my absence.
13/04/2010 11:51:16 AM
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The spread of Christianity
07/04/2010 12:55:29 AM
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Re: The spread of Christianity
08/04/2010 09:29:17 AM
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But wasn't Christianity the inspiration for a whole era of art? *NM*
08/04/2010 01:41:34 PM
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Re: But wasn't Christianity the inspiration for a whole era of art?
08/04/2010 01:44:36 PM
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The product of Christian inspiration was heavily Hellenistic in origin...
08/04/2010 07:54:12 PM
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The destruction of the Great Library.
07/04/2010 01:02:59 AM
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Internet spam sucks indeed.
07/04/2010 01:08:23 AM
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We'll never know; makes for fascinating speculative fiction.
07/04/2010 01:13:49 AM
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This whole topic is wild, it's something I sometimes think about.
07/04/2010 01:17:50 AM
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"Joel captures Alexandria! The Great Library is destroyed!" *NM*
07/04/2010 01:08:35 AM
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It's crazy to think that the human knowledge base doubles every 2 years...
07/04/2010 08:49:28 PM
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Literacy and communication have literally made a world of difference.
13/04/2010 09:25:45 AM
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if the giant meteor hadn't destroyed the dinosaurs...
07/04/2010 01:10:42 AM
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"FOR" global warming? Now there's a phrase I never thought I'd here!
07/04/2010 01:16:04 AM
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The spread of Islam
07/04/2010 01:26:11 AM
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oh aren't you clever. *NM*
07/04/2010 01:47:13 AM
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There's such a thing as being right for the wrong reasons, though I'm not sure he is.
07/04/2010 02:12:14 AM
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Wikipedia is of course not a scholarly source, but all the same...
07/04/2010 11:57:01 AM
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Fair enough.
07/04/2010 12:51:16 PM
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I read the Bernard Lewis article referred to at Wikipedia...
07/04/2010 01:19:03 PM
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So it's borrowed propaganda.
13/04/2010 09:30:39 AM
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Re: The spread of Islam
08/04/2010 09:24:31 AM
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I...do not know.
07/04/2010 07:18:13 AM
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A lot of times, you change one thing, and everything changes- even the things you don't think about.
07/04/2010 12:26:51 PM
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Amusing that the underlying expectation seems to be more along political history lines
07/04/2010 12:56:49 PM
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Here's one that'll be more to your liking...
08/04/2010 10:40:53 AM
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Re: Here's one that'll be more to your liking...
08/04/2010 11:58:27 AM
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Uh...
08/04/2010 12:11:14 PM
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Re: Uh...
08/04/2010 12:15:20 PM
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The Devil is always in the details
08/04/2010 12:29:25 PM
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Re: The Devil is always in the details
08/04/2010 12:32:34 PM
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Not really
08/04/2010 01:07:57 PM
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Re: Not really
08/04/2010 01:10:16 PM
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Only to a degree
08/04/2010 01:27:22 PM
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Re: Only to a degree
08/04/2010 01:30:12 PM
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I was into cultural and religious history
08/04/2010 01:38:24 PM
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Re: I was into cultural and religious history
08/04/2010 01:41:31 PM
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Ha!
08/04/2010 01:49:23 PM
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Re: Ha!
08/04/2010 01:51:28 PM
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Since, surprisingly, no one's pointed it out yet, prehistory/=history.
13/04/2010 09:52:19 AM
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Re: I know I just did a survey, but this was too good to pass up.
07/04/2010 09:04:02 PM
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Science getting on the ball in the 40's and making superhumans *NM*
08/04/2010 05:31:34 AM
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The spread of peanut butter and jelly.
08/04/2010 07:12:21 AM
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I think two spreads that would be better to eliminate would be marmite and vegemite (sp).
08/04/2010 05:30:26 PM
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The head of [Roman Catholic] Christianity.
08/04/2010 07:15:21 AM
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You completely missed the "pick 1" part of the question, didn't you? *NM*
08/04/2010 09:26:23 AM
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Well, techinically, I never said that you couldn't make multible posts, each discussing 1 thing. *NM*
08/04/2010 05:36:37 PM
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I'm fairly sure he was just mocking someone's earlier post "just thought it would be interesting..." *NM*
08/04/2010 08:06:56 PM
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I'm pretty sure of that too. *NM*
08/04/2010 08:33:46 PM
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