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Obamacare: Explained? MalkierKnight Send a noteboard - 22/03/2010 07:21:44 PM
At least, I'd like it to be. Both sides have skewed the facts of the bill so much I stopped following the healthcare debate altogether. Obama and democrats spew out nothing but rhetoric to serious talking points, while republicans resort to reductio ad absurdum every time something remotely controversial comes up (baby killer!).

My question is, if this bill really is only setting up market exchanges to buy insurance across state lines, where the heck is the 900 billion coming from? Just government subsidies?

How much would medicare and medicaid cost if they went unchanged for the period of time the bill is supposed to save the country money? Obama and democrats keep pointing out that the bill saves us money, but they don't tell us what the cost of medicare and medicaid is right now. Nor do they mention how simply cutting down on waste etc. will be achieved or how they plan to change what's being done currently.

As usual, our country has become too democratic and public office has become too much of a profession and not a public service.

I don't think anyone wants mob rule and I don't think anyone wants people who only care about getting elected. This debate could have taken a few months rather than a year if we had a proper government.
You must unlearn what you have learned.
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Obamacare: Explained? - 22/03/2010 07:21:44 PM 673 Views
Someone had a good link earlier... - 22/03/2010 07:32:36 PM 514 Views
Thanks - 23/03/2010 03:48:04 AM 294 Views
What the bill does, and when each part gets implemented - 22/03/2010 07:42:26 PM 585 Views
This is wonderful thank you. I've already picked my favorite. - 22/03/2010 07:47:59 PM 333 Views
Fear, uncertainty, and doubt - 22/03/2010 07:52:29 PM 371 Views
this is why I believe in dictatorships - 22/03/2010 08:05:14 PM 317 Views
It's all populism, really - 23/03/2010 03:51:31 AM 311 Views
OOoo I like that idea. - 23/03/2010 04:20:48 AM 319 Views
Re: OOoo I like that idea. - 23/03/2010 03:01:08 PM 318 Views
Senators don't constantly campaign though. - 23/03/2010 04:20:51 PM 304 Views
I don't think that's the point though... - 23/03/2010 09:35:29 PM 336 Views
At one point some of the concerns were valid. - 23/03/2010 06:03:29 AM 493 Views
Re: At one point some of the concerns were valid. - 23/03/2010 03:05:58 PM 383 Views
We can't pay for the subsidies; even after the tax hike they increase debt in the short term. - 23/03/2010 04:12:14 PM 411 Views
Re: We can't pay for the subsidies; even after the tax hike they increase debt in the short term. - 23/03/2010 09:40:53 PM 412 Views
Can't find that link in this thread, but the CBO seems to agree with you, not me. - 23/03/2010 11:47:29 PM 621 Views
I don't agree - 24/03/2010 08:52:12 PM 408 Views
"Free market" is a VERY big phrase. - 25/03/2010 07:32:06 AM 316 Views
Re: "Free market" is a VERY big phrase. - 25/03/2010 10:31:13 PM 438 Views
I'm not sure competition is a primary goal of capitalism. - 29/03/2010 12:14:06 PM 416 Views
Re: This is wonderful thank you. I've already picked my favorite. - 22/03/2010 08:04:50 PM 317 Views
Re: This is wonderful thank you. I've already picked my favorite. - 22/03/2010 08:07:39 PM 313 Views
Re: This is wonderful thank you. I've already picked my favorite. - 22/03/2010 08:28:10 PM 318 Views
ah yah. Fair enough. - 22/03/2010 10:01:41 PM 313 Views
The $900 billion is essentially just government subsidies: Healthcare's gotten THAT expensive. - 23/03/2010 06:23:01 AM 329 Views
you make it sound like this is the end-all bill. - 23/03/2010 12:01:20 PM 309 Views
I doubt we'll see another bill after the reconciliation bill. - 23/03/2010 02:05:59 PM 316 Views
I agree 100% - 23/03/2010 03:18:08 PM 315 Views
Too bad for America. - 23/03/2010 04:29:19 PM 346 Views
no, the "now or doomed" mindset is not why I'm willing to wait - 23/03/2010 03:23:21 PM 322 Views
Well, if you really are waiting for them to fix it later you'll wait a long time. - 23/03/2010 04:33:25 PM 293 Views
broken legs are not longer a good metaphor - 24/03/2010 12:33:14 AM 301 Views
Most people still understand what I mean. - 29/03/2010 01:16:35 PM 295 Views
Not surprising - 23/03/2010 10:37:25 PM 313 Views
Supposedly it's fixing part of that. - 23/03/2010 11:21:32 PM 314 Views
It's quite simple. - 23/03/2010 04:23:45 PM 371 Views
And what does government-run health care have to do with this bill? - 23/03/2010 04:25:28 PM 330 Views
You mean it is still - 23/03/2010 04:29:55 PM 322 Views

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