Active Users:1002 Time:01/11/2024 04:04:35 AM
Obamacare: Explained? MalkierKnight Send a noteboard - 22/03/2010 07:21:44 PM
At least, I'd like it to be. Both sides have skewed the facts of the bill so much I stopped following the healthcare debate altogether. Obama and democrats spew out nothing but rhetoric to serious talking points, while republicans resort to reductio ad absurdum every time something remotely controversial comes up (baby killer!).

My question is, if this bill really is only setting up market exchanges to buy insurance across state lines, where the heck is the 900 billion coming from? Just government subsidies?

How much would medicare and medicaid cost if they went unchanged for the period of time the bill is supposed to save the country money? Obama and democrats keep pointing out that the bill saves us money, but they don't tell us what the cost of medicare and medicaid is right now. Nor do they mention how simply cutting down on waste etc. will be achieved or how they plan to change what's being done currently.

As usual, our country has become too democratic and public office has become too much of a profession and not a public service.

I don't think anyone wants mob rule and I don't think anyone wants people who only care about getting elected. This debate could have taken a few months rather than a year if we had a proper government.
You must unlearn what you have learned.
Reply to message
Obamacare: Explained? - 22/03/2010 07:21:44 PM 665 Views
Someone had a good link earlier... - 22/03/2010 07:32:36 PM 506 Views
Thanks - 23/03/2010 03:48:04 AM 290 Views
What the bill does, and when each part gets implemented - 22/03/2010 07:42:26 PM 577 Views
This is wonderful thank you. I've already picked my favorite. - 22/03/2010 07:47:59 PM 328 Views
Fear, uncertainty, and doubt - 22/03/2010 07:52:29 PM 363 Views
this is why I believe in dictatorships - 22/03/2010 08:05:14 PM 312 Views
It's all populism, really - 23/03/2010 03:51:31 AM 307 Views
OOoo I like that idea. - 23/03/2010 04:20:48 AM 314 Views
Re: OOoo I like that idea. - 23/03/2010 03:01:08 PM 311 Views
Senators don't constantly campaign though. - 23/03/2010 04:20:51 PM 297 Views
I don't think that's the point though... - 23/03/2010 09:35:29 PM 328 Views
At one point some of the concerns were valid. - 23/03/2010 06:03:29 AM 487 Views
Re: At one point some of the concerns were valid. - 23/03/2010 03:05:58 PM 376 Views
We can't pay for the subsidies; even after the tax hike they increase debt in the short term. - 23/03/2010 04:12:14 PM 406 Views
Re: We can't pay for the subsidies; even after the tax hike they increase debt in the short term. - 23/03/2010 09:40:53 PM 405 Views
Can't find that link in this thread, but the CBO seems to agree with you, not me. - 23/03/2010 11:47:29 PM 614 Views
I don't agree - 24/03/2010 08:52:12 PM 403 Views
"Free market" is a VERY big phrase. - 25/03/2010 07:32:06 AM 310 Views
Re: "Free market" is a VERY big phrase. - 25/03/2010 10:31:13 PM 431 Views
I'm not sure competition is a primary goal of capitalism. - 29/03/2010 12:14:06 PM 409 Views
Re: This is wonderful thank you. I've already picked my favorite. - 22/03/2010 08:04:50 PM 309 Views
Re: This is wonderful thank you. I've already picked my favorite. - 22/03/2010 08:07:39 PM 303 Views
Re: This is wonderful thank you. I've already picked my favorite. - 22/03/2010 08:28:10 PM 311 Views
ah yah. Fair enough. - 22/03/2010 10:01:41 PM 307 Views
The $900 billion is essentially just government subsidies: Healthcare's gotten THAT expensive. - 23/03/2010 06:23:01 AM 322 Views
you make it sound like this is the end-all bill. - 23/03/2010 12:01:20 PM 301 Views
I doubt we'll see another bill after the reconciliation bill. - 23/03/2010 02:05:59 PM 312 Views
I agree 100% - 23/03/2010 03:18:08 PM 309 Views
Too bad for America. - 23/03/2010 04:29:19 PM 340 Views
no, the "now or doomed" mindset is not why I'm willing to wait - 23/03/2010 03:23:21 PM 314 Views
Well, if you really are waiting for them to fix it later you'll wait a long time. - 23/03/2010 04:33:25 PM 285 Views
broken legs are not longer a good metaphor - 24/03/2010 12:33:14 AM 295 Views
Most people still understand what I mean. - 29/03/2010 01:16:35 PM 288 Views
Not surprising - 23/03/2010 10:37:25 PM 305 Views
Supposedly it's fixing part of that. - 23/03/2010 11:21:32 PM 307 Views
It's quite simple. - 23/03/2010 04:23:45 PM 365 Views
And what does government-run health care have to do with this bill? - 23/03/2010 04:25:28 PM 322 Views
You mean it is still - 23/03/2010 04:29:55 PM 314 Views

Reply to Message