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So you accept the CBOs assessment the House healthcare bill will be $1 trillion over the next decade Joel Send a noteboard - 04/09/2009 03:02:13 AM
The large majority of millionares are self-made, not inherited. So, who are the non-working wealthy? How many are out there? How much money do they represent?

Sorry, but this seems like a typical liberal talking point. Bill Gates, Warren Buffet.....go down the list of billionares.....most are definitely part of the "working" category.

As for the H Foundation.....government data is government data and they do a wonderful job of analyzing it!

Government data, after all, is government data, and that analysis came from the government as well, rather than from a partisan think tank (for example, CBO reports won't contain references to "Keynesian fallacies" funny how much better the economy ran for us and the world when we observed such fallacious rules. )

If Gates or Buffet handed in their resignations tomorrow they'd still be able to have pretty much whatever they wanted for the rest of their lives. Ted Turner didn't have to sit down with his accountants and go over his expenses before he gave the UN a billion dollars, he just did it, knowing he'd never feel the loss. Yet you're trying to tell me we need to go after the destitute people working two jobs just to break even while people like Turner and Buffet are openly stating they should be paying more tax (though they aren't stupid enough to volunteer the difference while their fellow billionaires refuse. )

Get with the times; if you really want to break the backs of the working poor that badly every far right conservative knows it's much quicker and easier to do it with a federal sales tax than by changing the income tax code.
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For Europeans who don't understand why Americans are against ObamaCare - 03/09/2009 04:24:35 AM 1234 Views
I'd be happy to tax top "earners" more and suffer Europes economic "collapse. " - 03/09/2009 04:30:31 AM 705 Views
The US will never work with socialism. - 03/09/2009 04:40:21 AM 774 Views
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I don't think the mistrust of the government is really all that overblown - 03/09/2009 05:04:34 AM 693 Views
It's advanced beyond what it was during the Revolution, I think. - 03/09/2009 05:18:22 AM 732 Views
I would say it's grown with the government - 03/09/2009 05:23:52 AM 714 Views
Re: I don't think the mistrust of the government is really all that overblown - 04/09/2009 03:30:23 AM 661 Views
If I lived in France I wouldn't trust the Government either. - 04/09/2009 03:44:55 AM 725 Views
*laughs* the point is taken. *NM* - 04/09/2009 04:24:07 AM 466 Views
Re: The US will never work with socialism. - 04/09/2009 03:28:24 AM 820 Views
How much more can we really tax the wealthy?? - 03/09/2009 04:41:14 AM 619 Views
Sadly, I think going back to the Clinton rates would help - 03/09/2009 04:42:54 AM 597 Views
I'm ok with that....not super excited....but ok with it - 03/09/2009 04:57:32 AM 615 Views
A lot; before Reagans "reforms" we already taxed them less than any other industrialized state did. - 03/09/2009 05:06:00 AM 735 Views
I'm in the lower-middle class tax bracket - 03/09/2009 05:13:39 AM 663 Views
It's both, IMHO. - 03/09/2009 05:29:41 AM 578 Views
I hear a lot of socialism coming from you..... - 03/09/2009 05:19:08 AM 598 Views
Re: I hear a lot of socialism coming from you..... - 03/09/2009 05:40:32 AM 685 Views
Nice non-answer answer..... - 03/09/2009 05:52:04 AM 695 Views
You want detailed answers that require detailed data I don't have. - 03/09/2009 06:06:55 AM 747 Views
Here are some facts and analyses..... - 03/09/2009 02:40:22 PM 788 Views
The Heritage Foundation, huh? - 03/09/2009 03:01:17 PM 804 Views
The non-working wealthy? Please quantify..... - 03/09/2009 03:31:58 PM 769 Views
So you accept the CBOs assessment the House healthcare bill will be $1 trillion over the next decade - 04/09/2009 03:02:13 AM 679 Views
Wow, that was one of the dumbest posts I have ever read..... - 05/09/2009 05:42:45 AM 719 Views
So you're saying you DON'T proofread...? - 05/09/2009 05:59:49 AM 845 Views
Paris Hilton? - 04/09/2009 03:43:19 AM 677 Views
You're so full of shit on this issue I don't know where to begin. - 04/09/2009 03:15:55 AM 784 Views
Re: You're so full of shit on this issue I don't know where to begin. - 04/09/2009 03:59:21 AM 870 Views
Less than 200 people were said to be US persons with Swiss accounts - 04/09/2009 04:16:24 AM 667 Views
And yet account for many millions of dollars; what does that say...? - 04/09/2009 04:21:57 AM 661 Views
It's statistically insignificant and your hyperbole is reminiscent of screaming guests on CNN. - 04/09/2009 02:07:31 PM 598 Views
Well, look at this way: - 04/09/2009 02:24:03 PM 727 Views
That's not a solution. - 05/09/2009 02:39:12 AM 734 Views
The Soviets weren't socialist, or even communist, so it's a false comparison. - 05/09/2009 03:09:06 AM 676 Views
Okay, now you've just gone into Kool-aid drinking territory. - 05/09/2009 04:32:07 AM 797 Views
Communist THEORY is predicated on democratic participation at every level,totally absent in the USSR - 05/09/2009 04:55:00 AM 916 Views
FINALLY!!! - 07/09/2009 10:22:53 AM 713 Views
Ever heard of the 20-80 rule? - 04/09/2009 04:28:54 AM 593 Views
Yes, and 90% of people are idiots. - 05/09/2009 02:41:35 AM 898 Views
Re: Yes, and 90% of people are idiots. - 07/09/2009 10:09:30 AM 717 Views
Top earners? Please define.....what income and how much more? *NM* - 03/09/2009 04:52:25 AM 458 Views
That would be open to definition, and should change with inflation. - 03/09/2009 05:13:02 AM 850 Views
What is your justification for taking over 50% of anyone's income? - 03/09/2009 05:28:22 AM 788 Views
That's a good example of why I say the rate has to be set to cost of living. - 03/09/2009 05:50:16 AM 813 Views
Still no comment on the fact that 40% of Americans don't pay any income taxes? - 03/09/2009 02:32:12 PM 731 Views
To what 40% do you refer? - 03/09/2009 02:42:55 PM 592 Views
Dude, you are not making this easy..... - 03/09/2009 03:38:01 PM 634 Views
No one "gets money from the IRS. " - 04/09/2009 02:55:02 AM 639 Views
Actually with EIC you can get money back that you never paid in. - 04/09/2009 02:56:43 AM 630 Views
It MIGHT be possible with the EIC, but in practice few people get more than they paid. - 04/09/2009 03:43:36 AM 676 Views
I don't know, I've known plenty of people that have gotten more back than they paid in - 04/09/2009 03:46:29 AM 759 Views
A neat trick then. - 04/09/2009 04:09:58 AM 754 Views
To be fair - 04/09/2009 04:50:20 AM 696 Views
Ah, gotcha. - 04/09/2009 04:53:58 AM 709 Views
Yet another example of your ignorance on tax policy. - 04/09/2009 03:19:39 AM 580 Views
The word I notice is "welfare" - 04/09/2009 03:57:01 AM 697 Views
I wouldn't say that's what it means.... - 04/09/2009 04:02:40 AM 703 Views
It's what welfare means to me... - 04/09/2009 04:32:17 AM 714 Views
I was just talking about EIC as a form of welfare, not welfare welfare. *NM* - 04/09/2009 04:45:13 AM 412 Views
yes, I get that now. *NM* - 04/09/2009 05:02:53 AM 398 Views
*NM* - 04/09/2009 05:14:01 AM 392 Views
Not necessarily - 04/09/2009 04:11:41 AM 629 Views
*shrugs* I have a soft heart. *NM* - 04/09/2009 04:30:52 AM 404 Views
It's a credit for people who file a return on income that's been taxed. - 04/09/2009 04:19:57 AM 638 Views
It is only for the WORKING poor, yes. - 04/09/2009 02:12:55 PM 622 Views
Mean it may be, but hardly illegal. - 04/09/2009 02:31:16 PM 652 Views
How does the business benefit? - 04/09/2009 04:54:27 PM 653 Views
I didn't realize you meant literal withholding. - 05/09/2009 03:03:32 AM 673 Views
That's a no-no, Joel - 03/09/2009 07:32:03 AM 632 Views
Europe impresses me for one simple reason: - 03/09/2009 09:21:28 AM 688 Views
No real comments, just 100% agree with you....plus the $12 trillion is terrifying to me. *NM* - 03/09/2009 04:33:39 AM 298 Views
If that scares you, check this out! - 03/09/2009 04:48:56 AM 765 Views
Excellent post - the US government is not capable of running HC..... - 03/09/2009 04:40:19 AM 578 Views
There is one thing the government did right - 03/09/2009 04:41:36 AM 688 Views
The bailout, some of it, was necessary..... - 03/09/2009 04:51:03 AM 686 Views
I still think it was too one sided. - 03/09/2009 05:21:45 AM 727 Views
It depends on your level of cynicism - 03/09/2009 05:38:53 AM 748 Views
when have they ever cut the fat? - 03/09/2009 08:35:36 PM 675 Views
Contrary to popular belief, they are quite good at it - 03/09/2009 09:05:15 PM 704 Views
Well there is only one catch *NM* - 03/09/2009 10:56:00 PM 391 Views
This doesn't make sense to me. - 03/09/2009 08:33:18 AM 682 Views
The key phrase is "should be. " - 03/09/2009 09:38:15 AM 847 Views
Re: The key phrase is "should be. " - 03/09/2009 09:47:39 AM 722 Views
That sounds like a good stop gap to me. - 03/09/2009 09:50:57 AM 746 Views
In fairness, most Europeans don't seem to realize what ObamaCare is. - 03/09/2009 02:34:01 PM 725 Views
What makes you think we do? - 03/09/2009 09:11:06 PM 739 Views
Oh, you don't either. I thought that went without saying. *NM* - 03/09/2009 09:25:54 PM 405 Views
As far as most people I know are concerned, opposition to ObamaCare isn't the issue. - 03/09/2009 11:04:36 PM 820 Views
It's hard not to be horrified with a government as wasteful as ours - 03/09/2009 11:24:59 PM 596 Views
I can understand horror of governments. - 03/09/2009 11:30:23 PM 596 Views
a bit, yes. *NM* - 04/09/2009 04:08:37 AM 423 Views
For Americans who don't understand why Canadians like their public healthcare. - 04/09/2009 04:23:11 AM 704 Views
Correction - 04/09/2009 04:44:32 AM 702 Views
Re: Correction - 04/09/2009 05:05:11 AM 780 Views
In all honesty.... - 04/09/2009 05:18:23 AM 652 Views
Re: In all honesty.... - 04/09/2009 07:19:28 AM 736 Views
Re: Correction - 04/09/2009 05:24:49 PM 662 Views
Re: Correction - 07/09/2009 10:11:45 AM 854 Views
That's a nice theory. - 04/09/2009 02:49:34 PM 711 Views
It's a fact - 04/09/2009 05:21:59 PM 709 Views
Re: It's a fact - 05/09/2009 03:18:39 AM 665 Views

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