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This is a radically different view of Christianity than "rollover points. " Joel Send a noteboard - 01/03/2010 02:42:49 AM
Or even the primary benefit. One of the big drawbacks of sentience is living with the knowledge that you and everyone you know and will soon be dead and forgotten. The belief that there is something more provides a lot of comfort to a lot of people. Even if it is false comfort I think taking it away would be beyond cruel. Would you tell a little girl who believes that she will see her mommy again in heaven that is all a lie? What good would that do anyone?

When you are still in your twenties it is easy to disregard such comfort but when you get my age and you can feel and see the winding down process taking place it is much easier to see the appeal of that comfort.

Religion does inspire charity and most churches are involved in some sort of outreach program. Churches also act as important form of social glue that brings people to together and helps them to form into mutually supporting groups. Members of churches often become a sort of extended family that can provide support and assistance in more personal and positive ways then any state sponsored program ever could.

I do think though that you are missing the point when you said that religion rewards good behavior with tickets to heaven. That isn’t really how it works. I don’t personally believe there is a god but I wish it were true and I still believe that if you look at what Jesus (he is the one I know best) actually said and try and live in the manner he proscribed you would do OK.


I agree with you on a lot of points, Random. My main problem with Christians is not the teachings of Jesus Christ, it is how they've interpreted said teachings. A vast amount of the so called devout "christians" believe that because they accept Jesus as their savior, they have an easy ticket, regardless of what they do to others in their life, to heaven. I don't believe in any of it, regardless, but I fail to see the logic in their thoughts when I try to analyze it from the standpoint of a religious person.

Closer to the mark, I think, but both camps have their adherents (though I think only one of them is consistent with what Christ is generally agreed to have taught. ) I think it's fair to say, however, that even if we stick with just "the teachings of Jesus Christ" we're left with the principle that human nature to the exclusion of God reduces to opposition to God, and that God retains the Creator role, making this both an unhealthy place to be and an impossible one to escape since any redress we might attempt would be in the form of things God provides in the first place. I'm headed back to work the next two nights, but wouldn't mind and would welcome discussing the matter further if you're so inclined; I just won't waste your time or mine if you're not interested. Regardless, I think it's safe to say a lot of unnecessary and even injurious garbage has been added to Christianity by men who should've remembered just how fallible we are, but that's neither here nor there to the validity of Jesus as divine messenger and sacrifice.
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....I hope you realize that I was joking. *NM* - 19/02/2010 07:49:09 PM 181 Views
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Oh, I wasn't refering to you saying rollover points - 22/02/2010 12:01:52 AM 400 Views
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This is a radically different view of Christianity than "rollover points. " - 01/03/2010 02:42:49 AM 581 Views
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