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What makes you think we do? nossy Send a noteboard - 03/09/2009 09:11:06 PM
More particularly, they seriously overestimate how much of a difference would be made, and fail to appreciate just how impossible it is to fundamentally change a behemoth like the current American health care system - Medicare, the insurance companies, etc. Especially when you haven't got political consensus on how to change it.

They just figure that clearly the American system is significantly inferior to theirs, and that anything that'll bring the American system closer to the European systems is probably a good thing. By which, I'll grant you, they quite probably overestimate Congress.
The government is tainted with lobbyist money and a bidding system for government contracts that ensures overpayment for everything. Regardless of how you feel about socialized medicine generally, it's a sure bet that our government would fuck it up.

But the current health insurance system is spending fortunes on lobbying and unproductive rent-seeking as well. Your government may be more tainted by lobbyism and cronyism than other governments, but that is doubly true for your health insurance industry.

I guess as usual in politics, the problems are all interconnected, and you can't really solve them all apart. But it would almost seem like the originally sound but now quite exaggerated American mistrust of government in general has, rather ironically, led to more lobbyism, cronyism and other government inefficiencies than in other countries, precisely because people distrust government and don't expect it to be efficient anyway. Put in other words, power may be inherently corrupting, but that doesn't mean Congress could not or should not do better than this.
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For Europeans who don't understand why Americans are against ObamaCare - 03/09/2009 04:24:35 AM 1151 Views
I'd be happy to tax top "earners" more and suffer Europes economic "collapse. " - 03/09/2009 04:30:31 AM 625 Views
The US will never work with socialism. - 03/09/2009 04:40:21 AM 710 Views
Re: The US will never work with socialism. - 03/09/2009 04:58:47 AM 700 Views
I don't think the mistrust of the government is really all that overblown - 03/09/2009 05:04:34 AM 620 Views
It's advanced beyond what it was during the Revolution, I think. - 03/09/2009 05:18:22 AM 660 Views
I would say it's grown with the government - 03/09/2009 05:23:52 AM 648 Views
Re: I don't think the mistrust of the government is really all that overblown - 04/09/2009 03:30:23 AM 585 Views
If I lived in France I wouldn't trust the Government either. - 04/09/2009 03:44:55 AM 637 Views
*laughs* the point is taken. *NM* - 04/09/2009 04:24:07 AM 435 Views
Re: The US will never work with socialism. - 04/09/2009 03:28:24 AM 745 Views
How much more can we really tax the wealthy?? - 03/09/2009 04:41:14 AM 550 Views
Sadly, I think going back to the Clinton rates would help - 03/09/2009 04:42:54 AM 534 Views
I'm ok with that....not super excited....but ok with it - 03/09/2009 04:57:32 AM 543 Views
A lot; before Reagans "reforms" we already taxed them less than any other industrialized state did. - 03/09/2009 05:06:00 AM 665 Views
I'm in the lower-middle class tax bracket - 03/09/2009 05:13:39 AM 589 Views
It's both, IMHO. - 03/09/2009 05:29:41 AM 507 Views
I hear a lot of socialism coming from you..... - 03/09/2009 05:19:08 AM 531 Views
Re: I hear a lot of socialism coming from you..... - 03/09/2009 05:40:32 AM 616 Views
Nice non-answer answer..... - 03/09/2009 05:52:04 AM 625 Views
You want detailed answers that require detailed data I don't have. - 03/09/2009 06:06:55 AM 681 Views
Here are some facts and analyses..... - 03/09/2009 02:40:22 PM 704 Views
The Heritage Foundation, huh? - 03/09/2009 03:01:17 PM 733 Views
The non-working wealthy? Please quantify..... - 03/09/2009 03:31:58 PM 719 Views
Paris Hilton? - 04/09/2009 03:43:19 AM 608 Views
You're so full of shit on this issue I don't know where to begin. - 04/09/2009 03:15:55 AM 698 Views
Re: You're so full of shit on this issue I don't know where to begin. - 04/09/2009 03:59:21 AM 785 Views
Less than 200 people were said to be US persons with Swiss accounts - 04/09/2009 04:16:24 AM 581 Views
And yet account for many millions of dollars; what does that say...? - 04/09/2009 04:21:57 AM 617 Views
It's statistically insignificant and your hyperbole is reminiscent of screaming guests on CNN. - 04/09/2009 02:07:31 PM 518 Views
Well, look at this way: - 04/09/2009 02:24:03 PM 659 Views
That's not a solution. - 05/09/2009 02:39:12 AM 669 Views
The Soviets weren't socialist, or even communist, so it's a false comparison. - 05/09/2009 03:09:06 AM 609 Views
Okay, now you've just gone into Kool-aid drinking territory. - 05/09/2009 04:32:07 AM 720 Views
Communist THEORY is predicated on democratic participation at every level,totally absent in the USSR - 05/09/2009 04:55:00 AM 838 Views
FINALLY!!! - 07/09/2009 10:22:53 AM 634 Views
Ever heard of the 20-80 rule? - 04/09/2009 04:28:54 AM 527 Views
Yes, and 90% of people are idiots. - 05/09/2009 02:41:35 AM 821 Views
Re: Yes, and 90% of people are idiots. - 07/09/2009 10:09:30 AM 644 Views
Top earners? Please define.....what income and how much more? *NM* - 03/09/2009 04:52:25 AM 429 Views
That would be open to definition, and should change with inflation. - 03/09/2009 05:13:02 AM 779 Views
What is your justification for taking over 50% of anyone's income? - 03/09/2009 05:28:22 AM 707 Views
That's a good example of why I say the rate has to be set to cost of living. - 03/09/2009 05:50:16 AM 741 Views
Still no comment on the fact that 40% of Americans don't pay any income taxes? - 03/09/2009 02:32:12 PM 669 Views
To what 40% do you refer? - 03/09/2009 02:42:55 PM 525 Views
Dude, you are not making this easy..... - 03/09/2009 03:38:01 PM 561 Views
No one "gets money from the IRS. " - 04/09/2009 02:55:02 AM 574 Views
Actually with EIC you can get money back that you never paid in. - 04/09/2009 02:56:43 AM 558 Views
It MIGHT be possible with the EIC, but in practice few people get more than they paid. - 04/09/2009 03:43:36 AM 598 Views
I don't know, I've known plenty of people that have gotten more back than they paid in - 04/09/2009 03:46:29 AM 689 Views
A neat trick then. - 04/09/2009 04:09:58 AM 689 Views
To be fair - 04/09/2009 04:50:20 AM 628 Views
Ah, gotcha. - 04/09/2009 04:53:58 AM 632 Views
Yet another example of your ignorance on tax policy. - 04/09/2009 03:19:39 AM 511 Views
The word I notice is "welfare" - 04/09/2009 03:57:01 AM 627 Views
I wouldn't say that's what it means.... - 04/09/2009 04:02:40 AM 630 Views
It's what welfare means to me... - 04/09/2009 04:32:17 AM 634 Views
I was just talking about EIC as a form of welfare, not welfare welfare. *NM* - 04/09/2009 04:45:13 AM 387 Views
yes, I get that now. *NM* - 04/09/2009 05:02:53 AM 370 Views
*NM* - 04/09/2009 05:14:01 AM 369 Views
Not necessarily - 04/09/2009 04:11:41 AM 558 Views
*shrugs* I have a soft heart. *NM* - 04/09/2009 04:30:52 AM 380 Views
It's a credit for people who file a return on income that's been taxed. - 04/09/2009 04:19:57 AM 560 Views
It is only for the WORKING poor, yes. - 04/09/2009 02:12:55 PM 549 Views
Mean it may be, but hardly illegal. - 04/09/2009 02:31:16 PM 581 Views
How does the business benefit? - 04/09/2009 04:54:27 PM 566 Views
I didn't realize you meant literal withholding. - 05/09/2009 03:03:32 AM 596 Views
That's a no-no, Joel - 03/09/2009 07:32:03 AM 567 Views
Europe impresses me for one simple reason: - 03/09/2009 09:21:28 AM 649 Views
No real comments, just 100% agree with you....plus the $12 trillion is terrifying to me. *NM* - 03/09/2009 04:33:39 AM 273 Views
If that scares you, check this out! - 03/09/2009 04:48:56 AM 669 Views
Excellent post - the US government is not capable of running HC..... - 03/09/2009 04:40:19 AM 505 Views
There is one thing the government did right - 03/09/2009 04:41:36 AM 621 Views
The bailout, some of it, was necessary..... - 03/09/2009 04:51:03 AM 615 Views
I still think it was too one sided. - 03/09/2009 05:21:45 AM 645 Views
It depends on your level of cynicism - 03/09/2009 05:38:53 AM 675 Views
when have they ever cut the fat? - 03/09/2009 08:35:36 PM 596 Views
Contrary to popular belief, they are quite good at it - 03/09/2009 09:05:15 PM 627 Views
Well there is only one catch *NM* - 03/09/2009 10:56:00 PM 368 Views
This doesn't make sense to me. - 03/09/2009 08:33:18 AM 644 Views
The key phrase is "should be. " - 03/09/2009 09:38:15 AM 779 Views
Re: The key phrase is "should be. " - 03/09/2009 09:47:39 AM 625 Views
That sounds like a good stop gap to me. - 03/09/2009 09:50:57 AM 680 Views
In fairness, most Europeans don't seem to realize what ObamaCare is. - 03/09/2009 02:34:01 PM 669 Views
What makes you think we do? - 03/09/2009 09:11:06 PM 667 Views
Oh, you don't either. I thought that went without saying. *NM* - 03/09/2009 09:25:54 PM 383 Views
As far as most people I know are concerned, opposition to ObamaCare isn't the issue. - 03/09/2009 11:04:36 PM 741 Views
It's hard not to be horrified with a government as wasteful as ours - 03/09/2009 11:24:59 PM 524 Views
I can understand horror of governments. - 03/09/2009 11:30:23 PM 514 Views
a bit, yes. *NM* - 04/09/2009 04:08:37 AM 394 Views
For Americans who don't understand why Canadians like their public healthcare. - 04/09/2009 04:23:11 AM 645 Views
Correction - 04/09/2009 04:44:32 AM 626 Views
Re: Correction - 04/09/2009 05:05:11 AM 704 Views
In all honesty.... - 04/09/2009 05:18:23 AM 579 Views
Re: In all honesty.... - 04/09/2009 07:19:28 AM 673 Views
Re: Correction - 04/09/2009 05:24:49 PM 594 Views
Re: Correction - 07/09/2009 10:11:45 AM 785 Views
That's a nice theory. - 04/09/2009 02:49:34 PM 647 Views
It's a fact - 04/09/2009 05:21:59 PM 617 Views
Re: It's a fact - 05/09/2009 03:18:39 AM 595 Views

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