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It always starts small. Dragonsoul Send a noteboard - 21/02/2010 12:32:11 AM
to those countries, they should respect those societies and not try to impose their own moral or religious views on them.


You know what makes you somewhat ridiculous in this case? I have not seen you forced to pray towards mecca even once. When you are forced to do it five times a day, you get to start complaining. :P


First its being forced to eat Halal, then it's paying the jizya, then its being murdered for not converting, as happens all the time in Muslim countries.
Just one example
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French fast food chain goes halal Aisha - 19/02/2010 06:34:59 AM 1478 Views
that isn't unusual at all...I don't see the big deal LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 06:42:58 AM 468 Views
...how is it "discriminatory?" beetnemesis - 19/02/2010 06:49:24 AM 937 Views
just as a note LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 01:06:30 PM 553 Views
(It wasn't a reference to Hinduism) beetnemesis - 19/02/2010 05:29:40 PM 562 Views
yah. that's hinduism LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 05:52:41 PM 595 Views
Makes sense beetnemesis - 19/02/2010 06:12:49 PM 572 Views
Not necessarily prejudiced or bigots Insolitus - 19/02/2010 12:03:17 PM 862 Views
Not sure that works snoopcester - 19/02/2010 12:58:20 PM 619 Views
it's not discrimination in the slightest LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 01:13:03 PM 743 Views
That was my point snoopcester - 19/02/2010 01:22:55 PM 616 Views
sorry LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 01:29:11 PM 575 Views
No problem snoopcester - 19/02/2010 02:02:46 PM 566 Views
Re: Not sure that works Insolitus - 19/02/2010 01:44:27 PM 575 Views
Re: Not sure that works snoopcester - 19/02/2010 02:15:37 PM 725 Views
Re: Not sure that works Insolitus - 19/02/2010 02:33:30 PM 819 Views
dude. Every time anyone makes a choice, it's discrimination. LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 02:40:18 PM 649 Views
Re: dude. Every time anyone makes a choice, it's discrimination. Insolitus - 19/02/2010 03:22:14 PM 733 Views
yes, how dare a shop specialize LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 03:44:59 PM 561 Views
Indeed *NM* Insolitus - 19/02/2010 03:53:28 PM 311 Views
...I don't think that's a thing? beetnemesis - 19/02/2010 05:31:52 PM 599 Views
To the contrary Isaac - 19/02/2010 07:07:40 PM 634 Views
the restaurant does not have 100% halal food. LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 07:40:52 PM 586 Views
It was more of an answer to beetnemesis's hypothetical comment Isaac - 19/02/2010 08:18:58 PM 691 Views
I thought that they were still serving fish, at least? *NM* LadyLorraine - 20/02/2010 02:24:21 AM 373 Views
hahahaha Aisha - 20/02/2010 01:01:07 AM 667 Views
Re: hahahaha Isaac - 20/02/2010 04:10:31 AM 603 Views
Interesting beetnemesis - 20/02/2010 04:01:17 AM 612 Views
Keep in mind that France doesn't have remotely near as many fastfood restaurants as the US... Legolas - 19/02/2010 01:23:49 PM 802 Views
but what's wrong with eating halal meat? LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 01:33:17 PM 639 Views
Nothing per se, it's largely symbolic. I'm not sure how large the changes in the menu actually are. Legolas - 19/02/2010 01:42:54 PM 761 Views
Not a theologian, are we? Isaac - 19/02/2010 02:06:38 PM 726 Views
but is it the jews and observant christians complaining? LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 02:30:58 PM 563 Views
I've no clue Isaac - 19/02/2010 02:46:53 PM 742 Views
why would they be serving pork at a fast food anyways? LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 02:53:36 PM 557 Views
I checked the standard menu - other than one special burger with bacon, it's true there's no pork. *NM* Legolas - 19/02/2010 02:55:44 PM 296 Views
my point is how many fast food places have pork? LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 03:06:44 PM 561 Views
Well normally bacon is considered pork Isaac - 19/02/2010 03:07:45 PM 564 Views
Dude, it's France. They don't do English breakfasts. Legolas - 19/02/2010 03:19:48 PM 709 Views
American Breakfast, the english stole it from us Isaac - 19/02/2010 03:36:42 PM 665 Views
They put salt on their fries here, tons of it in fact... Legolas - 19/02/2010 03:48:06 PM 691 Views
Re: They put salt on their fries here, tons of it in fact... Isaac - 19/02/2010 04:16:22 PM 700 Views
Not a theologian, are we? snoopcester - 19/02/2010 02:31:17 PM 585 Views
from what we discussed in Meat Sciene LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 02:35:59 PM 638 Views
Oh? snoopcester - 19/02/2010 02:42:57 PM 666 Views
you could probably argue that it is less humane LadyLorraine - 19/02/2010 02:54:32 PM 547 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? lyringlas - 19/02/2010 04:03:41 PM 799 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? Isaac - 19/02/2010 04:51:14 PM 699 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? lyringlas - 19/02/2010 04:54:26 PM 763 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? Isaac - 19/02/2010 05:03:28 PM 532 Views
Re: Not a theologian, are we? lyringlas - 19/02/2010 06:10:50 PM 565 Views
Upper tip Isaac - 19/02/2010 06:14:06 PM 506 Views
Re: but what's wrong with eating halal meat? Sareitha Sedai - 19/02/2010 02:33:14 PM 688 Views
+1 The Shrike - 19/02/2010 07:07:36 PM 562 Views
It is a MacDonalds not public service provider random thoughts - 19/02/2010 08:11:36 PM 567 Views
Oh, and then there's something else, though I don't know if it's a factor here... Legolas - 19/02/2010 02:41:46 PM 576 Views
Re: Keep in mind that France doesn't have remotely near as many fastfood restaurants as the US... snoopcester - 19/02/2010 01:57:15 PM 701 Views
That's what I was thinking too. Lupine - 19/02/2010 06:04:02 PM 724 Views
You think the reasons are as objective as that ? AgentOrange - 19/02/2010 02:24:36 PM 526 Views
I wouldn't exactly call the reasons I named "objective", myself. Legolas - 19/02/2010 02:37:56 PM 649 Views
Haha, yeah AgentOrange - 19/02/2010 07:24:00 PM 560 Views
Simply put : Many are afraid France is being taken over by the Muslims. AgentOrange - 19/02/2010 02:14:19 PM 677 Views
Re: Simply put : Many are afraid France is being taken over by the Muslims. lyringlas - 19/02/2010 05:02:18 PM 595 Views
Are you refering to something specific ? AgentOrange - 19/02/2010 07:18:38 PM 599 Views
Re: Are you refering to something specific ? lyringlas - 19/02/2010 07:21:35 PM 520 Views
In a sense that's what blocked the inclusion of Turkey into the EU. AgentOrange - 19/02/2010 07:26:51 PM 513 Views
Re: In a sense that's what blocked the inclusion of Turkey into the EU. lyringlas - 19/02/2010 07:30:33 PM 557 Views
The question there is what's pretext and what's actual reason. Legolas - 19/02/2010 08:53:44 PM 585 Views
Re: The question there is what's pretext and what's actual reason. lyringlas - 19/02/2010 08:55:53 PM 636 Views
Why are such politicians automatically "crazy" ßelals Girl - 19/02/2010 10:16:53 PM 687 Views
yep. *NM* AgentOrange - 20/02/2010 12:09:56 PM 268 Views
Really can't see why people would get so worked up random thoughts - 19/02/2010 03:57:37 PM 513 Views
No big deal.. Kel - 19/02/2010 04:16:08 PM 599 Views
i can't see why it matters that they did. i think it's great. *NM* temeraire - 19/02/2010 05:23:44 PM 338 Views
So, what is the difference between Halal Beef and normal beef? *NM* MightyYT - 19/02/2010 07:06:21 PM 265 Views
the way it is killed. *NM* jh - 19/02/2010 07:26:02 PM 369 Views
Call me an obvious bigot and prejudiced then. I think the way they did this is bad. The Shrike - 19/02/2010 07:10:40 PM 613 Views
Having two sources of meat would raise prices even more beetnemesis - 19/02/2010 07:56:21 PM 571 Views
Not to mention the fact that anything served as halal would have to be cooked separately Floffe - 19/02/2010 10:55:06 PM 549 Views
I wonder how teh Saudis or Iranians would react... Dragonsoul - 19/02/2010 08:51:11 PM 578 Views
most halal foods would always qualify as kosher, i believe. LadyLorraine - 20/02/2010 02:26:49 AM 511 Views
Nope. But it does work the other way around. *NM* AgentOrange - 20/02/2010 04:50:26 AM 290 Views
fair enough, then *NM* LadyLorraine - 20/02/2010 05:56:00 AM 431 Views
yupp, kosher counts as halal, halal is not kosher though *NM* Aisha - 20/02/2010 12:55:30 PM 385 Views
So let me get this straight... Dragonsoul - 20/02/2010 08:42:04 AM 695 Views
wow. first of all FRANCE is changing nothing LadyLorraine - 20/02/2010 06:28:27 PM 681 Views
I think you missed his point beckstcw - 20/02/2010 10:12:18 PM 576 Views
There are many answers one could give, but the most basic one is quite simple... Legolas - 20/02/2010 10:20:14 PM 696 Views
And yet having come of their own free will... Dragonsoul - 20/02/2010 11:11:51 PM 557 Views
Way to read half a post. I am impressed. jh - 21/02/2010 12:10:39 AM 570 Views
It always starts small. Dragonsoul - 21/02/2010 12:32:11 AM 541 Views
Awesome, you figured out their master plan!! LadyLorraine - 21/02/2010 02:06:27 AM 625 Views
Like I said... Dragonsoul - 21/02/2010 08:43:32 AM 596 Views
and really... in this case it's a private enterprise we're talking about AgentOrange - 21/02/2010 12:55:27 AM 544 Views
exactly. *NM* LadyLorraine - 21/02/2010 02:06:57 AM 399 Views
Oh I know, don't get me wrong. I was trying to clarify *NM* beckstcw - 21/02/2010 04:13:19 AM 320 Views
I didn't miss it, I just thought it wasn't worth noting. LadyLorraine - 21/02/2010 02:11:14 AM 782 Views
Re: wow. first of all FRANCE is changing nothing Dragonsoul - 20/02/2010 10:13:12 PM 747 Views
Yes, i'm sure there is no other restaurant in that whole area. LadyLorraine - 21/02/2010 02:04:29 AM 702 Views
that's not the point. Dragonsoul - 21/02/2010 08:46:14 AM 609 Views
dude. your 'THEY" did not do anything. LadyLorraine - 21/02/2010 03:01:48 PM 668 Views
So if your French every restaurant should only be allowed to serve what you want served? random thoughts - 22/02/2010 07:18:00 PM 538 Views
I don't think French society should be forced to consume Islamic food. Dragonsoul - 23/02/2010 01:31:03 AM 556 Views
No one is forcing anyone to do anything. LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 02:47:56 AM 603 Views
Sure they are. Dragonsoul - 23/02/2010 03:05:12 AM 590 Views
well they apparently still have 354 of that particular restaurant LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 03:20:07 AM 553 Views
Don't you get it? LiterateDog - 23/02/2010 03:51:09 AM 538 Views
Actually they're not ragheads. Dragonsoul - 23/02/2010 03:43:14 PM 523 Views
If you have a sarcasm meter, you might want to switch it on. *NM* LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 05:37:41 PM 270 Views
Indeed, 354 throughout the whole of France, which actually isn't that many. Dragonsoul - 23/02/2010 03:42:30 PM 580 Views
how many French people starved to death before McDonalds opened? random thoughts - 23/02/2010 04:30:32 PM 589 Views
Millions Isaac - 23/02/2010 04:41:23 PM 540 Views
Huh. Sareitha Sedai - 23/02/2010 06:10:17 PM 551 Views
They are not forced to do anything snoopcester - 23/02/2010 04:41:35 PM 530 Views
So Muslims should be forced to eat French food because the French are lazy to open more restaurants? random thoughts - 23/02/2010 04:43:13 AM 494 Views
well don't you see? LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 12:41:40 PM 584 Views
Re: well don't you see? ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 05:02:16 PM 542 Views
I agree with you. *NM* Rebekah - 23/02/2010 05:10:53 PM 248 Views
This is meant to be an edit... Rebekah - 23/02/2010 05:14:23 PM 605 Views
I agree, Bekah, but it's not like there's not a middle ground LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 05:25:30 PM 545 Views
It's the sheer numbers that are worrisome ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 06:25:17 PM 676 Views
That assumes a great deal LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 06:52:41 PM 673 Views
Re: That assumes a great deal ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 08:00:28 PM 700 Views
Very true. Test case: Lebanon AgentOrange - 24/02/2010 12:26:43 AM 530 Views
Really? snoopcester - 24/02/2010 10:02:18 AM 535 Views
What he's referring to... Legolas - 24/02/2010 10:20:22 AM 702 Views
Oh that, that I knew with the political system snoopcester - 24/02/2010 10:57:08 AM 537 Views
Re: This is meant to be an edit... ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 05:43:03 PM 748 Views
Well, biologically speaking, it is healthier for the gene pool. LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 06:55:11 PM 562 Views
"Propaganda"? Kind of exaggerating there... Legolas - 23/02/2010 07:48:39 PM 645 Views
How is it not propaganda? ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 08:31:12 PM 729 Views
I can certainly see your vitrol. Now I'm a bit confused though. LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 08:54:54 PM 573 Views
Re: I can certainly see your vitrol. Now I'm a bit confused though. ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 09:08:33 PM 969 Views
your view point is idealistic, I think LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 09:24:08 PM 846 Views
I guess one would have to see the documentary to really judge. Legolas - 23/02/2010 08:58:47 PM 670 Views
The language really isn't the problem in France. Legolas - 23/02/2010 08:15:52 PM 693 Views
I will conceed that point ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 08:53:26 PM 671 Views
Oh yeah, definitely, re: your point about Americans *NM* Legolas - 23/02/2010 09:00:20 PM 281 Views
Our differing opinion does not make us wrong. or that you are. LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 09:07:38 PM 725 Views
I'm not dismissing the problem entirely. LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 09:03:50 PM 681 Views
Well. I wasn't necessarily specifying France. *NM* Rebekah - 23/02/2010 09:48:44 PM 262 Views
But a lot of them were already in a part of France or had been born in a part of France snoopcester - 23/02/2010 05:30:24 PM 579 Views
*gasp* There are no French Muslims!! LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 05:36:38 PM 693 Views
Or! snoopcester - 24/02/2010 10:04:44 AM 769 Views
It's funny because it's true - Algeria was administratively a part of France, iirc. *NM* Legolas - 23/02/2010 07:51:17 PM 233 Views
It does make the situation more complicated snoopcester - 24/02/2010 10:30:28 AM 599 Views
Why should you have to completely change who you are? LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 05:35:51 PM 546 Views
Yes, of course ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 05:48:10 PM 536 Views
Yes, but the difference was I knew it was hyperbole LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 07:01:49 PM 532 Views
Re: Yes, but the difference was I knew it was hyperbole ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 07:38:54 PM 671 Views
So they should be treated as less because they're immigrants? LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 07:45:16 PM 617 Views
They're not Turks, they're mostly from France's old colonies. Legolas - 23/02/2010 08:10:25 PM 538 Views
The French didn't seem to feel the need to go native when they were in Middle Eastern countries random thoughts - 23/02/2010 05:55:28 PM 771 Views
What are you refering to? ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 06:00:45 PM 555 Views
Brush up on your history then random thoughts - 23/02/2010 06:25:53 PM 589 Views
Thank you ßelals Girl - 23/02/2010 06:34:19 PM 536 Views
I would think that simply having McDonalds there is a greater threat to French cultrue random thoughts - 23/02/2010 06:52:34 PM 671 Views
This. well stated. *NM* LadyLorraine - 23/02/2010 07:03:47 PM 265 Views
Why thank you *NM* random thoughts - 23/02/2010 11:49:22 PM 263 Views
They had Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, and for a while Lebanon and Syria. Legolas - 23/02/2010 08:00:08 PM 741 Views
Many? Floffe - 23/02/2010 07:40:06 AM 590 Views
sorry I thought it was a restaurant random thoughts - 23/02/2010 04:41:39 AM 534 Views
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