In fairness, most Europeans don't seem to realize what ObamaCare is.
Legolas Send a noteboard - 03/09/2009 02:34:01 PM
More particularly, they seriously overestimate how much of a difference would be made, and fail to appreciate just how impossible it is to fundamentally change a behemoth like the current American health care system - Medicare, the insurance companies, etc. Especially when you haven't got political consensus on how to change it.
They just figure that clearly the American system is significantly inferior to theirs, and that anything that'll bring the American system closer to the European systems is probably a good thing. By which, I'll grant you, they quite probably overestimate Congress.
But the current health insurance system is spending fortunes on lobbying and unproductive rent-seeking as well. Your government may be more tainted by lobbyism and cronyism than other governments, but that is doubly true for your health insurance industry.
I guess as usual in politics, the problems are all interconnected, and you can't really solve them all apart. But it would almost seem like the originally sound but now quite exaggerated American mistrust of government in general has, rather ironically, led to more lobbyism, cronyism and other government inefficiencies than in other countries, precisely because people distrust government and don't expect it to be efficient anyway. Put in other words, power may be inherently corrupting, but that doesn't mean Congress could not or should not do better than this.
They just figure that clearly the American system is significantly inferior to theirs, and that anything that'll bring the American system closer to the European systems is probably a good thing. By which, I'll grant you, they quite probably overestimate Congress.
The government is tainted with lobbyist money and a bidding system for government contracts that ensures overpayment for everything. Regardless of how you feel about socialized medicine generally, it's a sure bet that our government would fuck it up.
But the current health insurance system is spending fortunes on lobbying and unproductive rent-seeking as well. Your government may be more tainted by lobbyism and cronyism than other governments, but that is doubly true for your health insurance industry.
I guess as usual in politics, the problems are all interconnected, and you can't really solve them all apart. But it would almost seem like the originally sound but now quite exaggerated American mistrust of government in general has, rather ironically, led to more lobbyism, cronyism and other government inefficiencies than in other countries, precisely because people distrust government and don't expect it to be efficient anyway. Put in other words, power may be inherently corrupting, but that doesn't mean Congress could not or should not do better than this.
For Europeans who don't understand why Americans are against ObamaCare
03/09/2009 04:24:35 AM
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I'd be happy to tax top "earners" more and suffer Europes economic "collapse. "
03/09/2009 04:30:31 AM
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The US will never work with socialism.
03/09/2009 04:40:21 AM
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Re: The US will never work with socialism.
03/09/2009 04:58:47 AM
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I don't think the mistrust of the government is really all that overblown
03/09/2009 05:04:34 AM
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It's advanced beyond what it was during the Revolution, I think.
03/09/2009 05:18:22 AM
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I would say it's grown with the government
03/09/2009 05:23:52 AM
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The key is that government shouldn't be heavily involved in personal lives.
03/09/2009 05:58:39 AM
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Re: I don't think the mistrust of the government is really all that overblown
04/09/2009 03:30:23 AM
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How much more can we really tax the wealthy??
03/09/2009 04:41:14 AM
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A lot; before Reagans "reforms" we already taxed them less than any other industrialized state did.
03/09/2009 05:06:00 AM
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I hear a lot of socialism coming from you.....
03/09/2009 05:19:08 AM
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Re: I hear a lot of socialism coming from you.....
03/09/2009 05:40:32 AM
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Nice non-answer answer.....
03/09/2009 05:52:04 AM
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You want detailed answers that require detailed data I don't have.
03/09/2009 06:06:55 AM
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Here are some facts and analyses.....
03/09/2009 02:40:22 PM
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The Heritage Foundation, huh?
03/09/2009 03:01:17 PM
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The non-working wealthy? Please quantify.....
03/09/2009 03:31:58 PM
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So you accept the CBOs assessment the House healthcare bill will be $1 trillion over the next decade
04/09/2009 03:02:13 AM
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You're so full of shit on this issue I don't know where to begin.
04/09/2009 03:15:55 AM
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Re: You're so full of shit on this issue I don't know where to begin.
04/09/2009 03:59:21 AM
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Less than 200 people were said to be US persons with Swiss accounts
04/09/2009 04:16:24 AM
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And yet account for many millions of dollars; what does that say...?
04/09/2009 04:21:57 AM
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It's statistically insignificant and your hyperbole is reminiscent of screaming guests on CNN.
04/09/2009 02:07:31 PM
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Well, look at this way:
04/09/2009 02:24:03 PM
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That's not a solution.
05/09/2009 02:39:12 AM
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The Soviets weren't socialist, or even communist, so it's a false comparison.
05/09/2009 03:09:06 AM
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Okay, now you've just gone into Kool-aid drinking territory.
05/09/2009 04:32:07 AM
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Communist THEORY is predicated on democratic participation at every level,totally absent in the USSR
05/09/2009 04:55:00 AM
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Ever heard of the 20-80 rule?
04/09/2009 04:28:54 AM
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Top earners? Please define.....what income and how much more? *NM*
03/09/2009 04:52:25 AM
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That would be open to definition, and should change with inflation.
03/09/2009 05:13:02 AM
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What is your justification for taking over 50% of anyone's income?
03/09/2009 05:28:22 AM
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That's a good example of why I say the rate has to be set to cost of living.
03/09/2009 05:50:16 AM
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Still no comment on the fact that 40% of Americans don't pay any income taxes?
03/09/2009 02:32:12 PM
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To what 40% do you refer?
03/09/2009 02:42:55 PM
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Dude, you are not making this easy.....
03/09/2009 03:38:01 PM
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No one "gets money from the IRS. "
04/09/2009 02:55:02 AM
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Actually with EIC you can get money back that you never paid in.
04/09/2009 02:56:43 AM
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It MIGHT be possible with the EIC, but in practice few people get more than they paid.
04/09/2009 03:43:36 AM
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I don't know, I've known plenty of people that have gotten more back than they paid in
04/09/2009 03:46:29 AM
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Yet another example of your ignorance on tax policy.
04/09/2009 03:19:39 AM
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The word I notice is "welfare"
04/09/2009 03:57:01 AM
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I wouldn't say that's what it means....
04/09/2009 04:02:40 AM
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It's what welfare means to me...
04/09/2009 04:32:17 AM
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I was just talking about EIC as a form of welfare, not welfare welfare. *NM*
04/09/2009 04:45:13 AM
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It's a credit for people who file a return on income that's been taxed.
04/09/2009 04:19:57 AM
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It is only for the WORKING poor, yes.
04/09/2009 02:12:55 PM
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Mean it may be, but hardly illegal.
04/09/2009 02:31:16 PM
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No real comments, just 100% agree with you....plus the $12 trillion is terrifying to me. *NM*
03/09/2009 04:33:39 AM
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Excellent post - the US government is not capable of running HC.....
03/09/2009 04:40:19 AM
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It depends on your level of cynicism
03/09/2009 05:38:53 AM
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when have they ever cut the fat?
03/09/2009 08:35:36 PM
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This doesn't make sense to me.
03/09/2009 08:33:18 AM
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The key phrase is "should be. "
03/09/2009 09:38:15 AM
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In fairness, most Europeans don't seem to realize what ObamaCare is.
03/09/2009 02:34:01 PM
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As far as most people I know are concerned, opposition to ObamaCare isn't the issue.
03/09/2009 11:04:36 PM
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It's hard not to be horrified with a government as wasteful as ours
03/09/2009 11:24:59 PM
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For Americans who don't understand why Canadians like their public healthcare.
04/09/2009 04:23:11 AM
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Correction
04/09/2009 04:44:32 AM
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Re: Correction
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