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Demographics are the key, methinks. Joel Send a noteboard - 02/02/2010 12:20:46 AM
The Islamophobes claim that Islam is intrinsically a terroristy religion. The proof? Well, just about every terrorist attack is Islamic, they retort. Unfortunately for them, that’s not quite true. More like six percent. Using their defunct logic, these right wingers ought now to conclude that nearly all acts of terrorism are committed by Latinos (or Jews). Let them dare say it…they couldn’t; it would be political and social suicide to say such a thing. Most Americans would shut down such talk as bigoted; yet, similar statements continue to be said of Islam, without any repercussions.

The Islamophobes live in a fantasy world where everyone is supposedly too “politically correct” to criticize Islam and Muslims. Yet, the reality is the exact opposite: you can get away with saying anything against the crescent. Can you imagine the reaction if I said that Latinos should be profiled because after all they are the ones who commit the most terrorism in the country? (For the record: I don’t believe in such profiling, because I am–unlike the right wing nutters–a believer in American ideals.)

It's less that you can say anything about Muslims, I think, than that you CAN'T make many criticisms in any way linked to the race and/or ethnicity of other, larger, American demographics. If there were >10,000,000 Muslim illegal aliens in the US, plus tens of millions more who immigrated legally (and descendants of same) then, no, you wouldn't be able to treat Islamic terror as it so often is treated. Not without riots, anyway. However, the reason you don't hear much about regular terrorist acts by various Hispanics in the name of religion isn't because of some media blackout or vast right wing conspiracy, it's because there aren't a whole lot (in fact, I can't think of any. ) About the closest you can come is FARC, but FARC isn't about religion, it's about economics and politics, with a heavy dose of drugs for financing. Ironically, each of those offers very real and strong parallels with Islamic terrorism, but religion doesn't or you wouldn't hear about nuns murdered in predominantly Catholic Latin America.

Likewise, I don't think a media conspiracy is responsible for daily reports of Islamic terror in Palestine and Israel, or Pakistan, or Iraq, or India, or Egypt, or the rest of Africa, or the Philippines and even episodically in Europe and America. I think we hear about those for the same reason we don't hear about Christian or Jewish or Sikh or Buddhist or Taoist etc. etc. religious killings around the world: Not because of bias, but because, by a wild coincidence, Islam actually does happen to include the vast majority of RELIGIOUS terrorists (note: "Latino" is not a religion nor a choice, and "Jewish" can be religion, ethnicity or both these days; isn't ambiguity fun?) There were no media blackouts on Bloody Sunday or Belfast despite the fact it was essentially Catholics vs. Protestants and most of America falls into one of those two categories. I'm not going to get into the foundation of the religion because, the authors claims aside, it would unleash a PC s--tstorm and I've got enough crap flying about me at the moment, but it's undeniable that SOME SECTS of Islam have, almost from the beginning, elevated the scimitar to the same level as the crescent for religious symbolism. Not all assassins are Muslim either, but the first group to bear that name were radical Shiites. They're in the same class as Christians who bomb abortion clinics (or, in the case of the man recently convicted of the Olympic bombings in Atlanta, just bomb to protest abortion; I forget which non-media source I got that from both when it happened and when he was convicted last week. ;)) It just so happens that a disproportionate number of that class is Muslim.

I don't doubt for a moment that's more other socioeconomic issues (e.g. poverty, repression, economic exploitation) than the nature of Islam, but pointing to numbers on the US to claim a group that's a distinct minority here doesn't contain more terrorists globally is disingenuous. It's like saying, "I have more sex than anyone, because I'm the person I see doing it the most. " An extended fallacy is still a fallacy; it's just harder to catch (which is the whole point with fallacies of verbosity. ) Perception really isn't reality, it just seems that way to the unperceptive.
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All Terrorists are Muslims… except the 94% that aren’t. - 01/02/2010 10:42:12 PM 1704 Views
I find that unsurprising. - 01/02/2010 11:31:43 PM 399 Views
Lot of BS in there - 01/02/2010 11:33:08 PM 507 Views
I'm afraid I have to agree with this. - 01/02/2010 11:46:02 PM 462 Views
Well, no. Robbery accounts for a very small percentage of those attacks. Look at the chart. - 01/02/2010 11:50:39 PM 415 Views
I found the so-called Islamophobic reply... allow me to quote it in its entirety. - 01/02/2010 11:52:37 PM 438 Views
It's a valid complaint. *NM* - 02/02/2010 01:49:08 AM 178 Views
Whose complaint is valid? - 02/02/2010 01:55:58 AM 403 Views
Yours. *NM* - 02/02/2010 02:15:01 AM 175 Views
I did note the rampant bias. - 01/02/2010 11:48:55 PM 515 Views
What about attacks on Iraqi police volunteers? - 01/02/2010 11:53:58 PM 426 Views
it only included attacks on American soil *NM* - 02/02/2010 02:03:16 PM 186 Views
Most of the Iraq violence isn't against the foreign occupier... - 01/02/2010 11:54:44 PM 433 Views
Ahem... /\ /\ /\ - 01/02/2010 11:56:34 PM 465 Views
Dude, 46 seconds. I was typing it while you posted. *NM* - 02/02/2010 12:05:44 AM 164 Views
True, but I was referring to attacks on US soldiers. - 02/02/2010 01:47:55 AM 407 Views
That's still a bad benchmark - 02/02/2010 10:00:23 AM 500 Views
You would be very wrong - 02/02/2010 02:11:08 PM 460 Views
Um, since when is all Mid-East terrorism against foreign occupiers? - 02/02/2010 12:33:13 AM 588 Views
I would agree with this. - 02/02/2010 02:33:47 AM 503 Views
It was bound to happen sooner or later. - 02/02/2010 04:10:13 AM 533 Views
This is the only problem I have with "definitions" - 02/02/2010 04:51:00 AM 410 Views
You're conflating two types of fighters who shouldn't be, I believe. - 03/02/2010 06:16:21 AM 400 Views
I think you missed the point. - 05/02/2010 05:15:40 AM 407 Views
One of us did. - 05/02/2010 08:26:07 AM 578 Views
I'm not talking ETHICALLY or MORALLY - 14/02/2010 06:41:32 PM 407 Views
I was, or at least speaking legally. - 15/02/2010 06:54:50 AM 475 Views
Churchill's justification of bombings cited civilians as the targets, IIRC - 03/02/2010 12:46:16 AM 602 Views
I did say, "deliberately, " and for a reason. - 03/02/2010 04:23:44 AM 549 Views
Re: I did say, "deliberately, " and for a reason. - 05/02/2010 02:22:10 AM 751 Views
Re: I did say, "deliberately, " and for a reason. - 15/02/2010 09:46:48 AM 558 Views
Lame. - 01/02/2010 11:55:50 PM 396 Views
Demographics are the key, methinks. - 02/02/2010 12:20:46 AM 519 Views
WTF? Are these people serious? - 02/02/2010 02:19:05 AM 451 Views
Ah, good. I've driven you out of lurking. Now recommend me operas. *NM* - 02/02/2010 02:41:30 AM 170 Views
Huh? *NM* - 02/02/2010 02:03:24 PM 177 Views
I made a survey on musicals and operas on the board! - 02/02/2010 05:15:45 PM 383 Views
I agree with tom - 02/02/2010 02:54:53 AM 421 Views
So what? - 02/02/2010 02:23:42 AM 468 Views
Waco were terrorist? Do they just make this crap up? *NM* - 02/02/2010 02:00:40 PM 357 Views
leftist dhimmi allies... rofl - 04/02/2010 04:56:48 AM 407 Views

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