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My perspective as someone who is for the most part an Atheist? Brian Send a noteboard - 28/01/2010 01:13:02 AM
Or my perspective as someone who was raised as a Roman-Catholic, confirmed into the church, studied basically every major religion in the world, who spent the first 18 years of his life as a practicing member of the church and still has close ties to his very religious family? Cause I mean....based on my past I'd say that I have a fairly good view of both sides of the argument.

I don't hold people's religious beliefs against them, and I don't respect anyone any less because of their beliefs. Some people need their religion and it's something that gives them a lot of satisfaction. I respect that, and I'm happy for them.

I understand what you're trying to say, but self-worth has nothing to do with why I would think that an omnipotent being would care about a random person or especially care if a random creature believes in it. It is inconceivable to me that a higher power would care about something so silly as what one person thinks anywhere.

As far as the violence stuff goes, all I really have to say is that more atrocities are committed in the name of god or because of religion than just about anything else that I can think of. The people who perpetuate violence in the name of religion are a minority, and I also accept that...but it doesn't change my perspective that religion causes an inordinate amount of strife and rather than being a uniting force in the world it tends to be divisive instead.

Finally, I never said anything about considering the people that believe in god to be stupid or hicks, or anything of the sort. They simply hold a belief that in my mind is incomprehensible. I view the world in an extremely logical manner, and what I can see feel, or prove is what I find to be real. It may be an extremely cynical view of the world, but it is what it is. I have never seen something that says to me that there is a higher power, I have never seen a single piece of evidence that would even lead me to possibly believe that it is proof of a higher power. I have never felt deep in my heart/soul/whatever that feeling of faith or anything of the sort. On the other hand I've seen plenty of evidence that my view of the world is a correct one. Am I exchanging the god of the bible for one named science and logic? Perhaps I am, but I'm ok with that, because science is tangible.

Do I fear that when I die that I will cease to exist? No, I really don't. I'm ok with accepting that I am a collection of memories and experiences, and that when my body ceases functioning that whatever it is that I am is going to be gone as well.

I have my own theories as to why religion is so pervasive, but I'm not really here to debate my belief on that, because that will offend people, and that isn't my goal. I respect people's religious beliefs and like I said, I think no less of them because of them. If it makes people happy, then I'm glad that they get something from it.
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Anti-Abortion CBS Super Bowl commercial - 27/01/2010 05:35:37 PM 1832 Views
I think that its a fantastic idea... - 27/01/2010 05:46:17 PM 1101 Views
agreed... somewhat. - 27/01/2010 05:52:26 PM 1045 Views
See, that's the debate here... - 27/01/2010 06:03:01 PM 852 Views
depending on the developmental stage, an embryo might be nothign more than a clump of cells. - 27/01/2010 07:18:25 PM 731 Views
You make baby Allah cry. *NM* - 27/01/2010 07:58:01 PM 520 Views
was it the dog comparison? - 27/01/2010 07:59:22 PM 899 Views
Nah, Dog is God reversed, after all. - 27/01/2010 08:29:12 PM 851 Views
parasites! parasites i say!!! - 27/01/2010 08:37:53 PM 875 Views
yeah except islam allows abortion in certain conditions - 28/01/2010 05:43:29 AM 869 Views
Do those conditions include "I don't want a baby"? - 28/01/2010 11:52:24 PM 1085 Views
some scholars say yes, some say no - 29/01/2010 05:51:18 AM 982 Views
Shall we be technical.... - 27/01/2010 09:28:20 PM 862 Views
And since when are you a trained eye? - 27/01/2010 09:52:05 PM 969 Views
A valid question - 27/01/2010 10:07:16 PM 845 Views
Okay then, that's fair enough - 27/01/2010 10:48:10 PM 859 Views
If there's a chance the mother might die... - 27/01/2010 07:30:54 PM 925 Views
Which is why I'm against elective abortion - 27/01/2010 09:33:59 PM 879 Views
Then we are in accord. - 27/01/2010 10:00:32 PM 890 Views
That works.... - 27/01/2010 10:10:22 PM 888 Views
And I think that is wonderful. - 27/01/2010 10:33:05 PM 983 Views
I want to see an atheism Superbowl ad - 27/01/2010 06:21:02 PM 927 Views
Re: I want to see an atheism Superbowl ad - 27/01/2010 06:35:30 PM 905 Views
Go ahead and pay for one.... - 27/01/2010 06:37:18 PM 1002 Views
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at your - 27/01/2010 07:03:39 PM 875 Views
how does atheism take anything away? - 27/01/2010 07:20:49 PM 908 Views
Exactly - 27/01/2010 07:29:49 PM 888 Views
Smiles.... - 27/01/2010 09:38:25 PM 873 Views
just because you believe in god - 27/01/2010 09:57:39 PM 751 Views
losing, not loosing *NM* - 27/01/2010 10:22:51 PM 531 Views
Re: Smiles.... - 29/01/2010 09:03:48 PM 839 Views
LOL It only "takes away" mental enslavement. - 27/01/2010 07:50:56 PM 881 Views
Who says? - 27/01/2010 09:42:07 PM 870 Views
You're not "open" to anything. - 27/01/2010 10:02:03 PM 1009 Views
I don't need your sadness dude...or your pity. - 27/01/2010 10:19:43 PM 892 Views
Personally speaking - 27/01/2010 10:36:45 PM 934 Views
Although off topic that's exactly how I see it too. *NM* - 27/01/2010 10:43:49 PM 521 Views
But notice your perspective Brian... - 27/01/2010 11:08:52 PM 1000 Views
Your argument assumes in the existance of the Christian God. - 27/01/2010 11:28:16 PM 857 Views
Because we're His children - 28/01/2010 01:08:20 AM 895 Views
My perspective as someone who is for the most part an Atheist? - 28/01/2010 01:13:02 AM 807 Views
You have a very odd and self-serving notion of what "open" is. - 28/01/2010 12:12:06 AM 4228 Views
Tolerance much? - 27/01/2010 08:11:12 PM 931 Views
I took care of that. - 27/01/2010 08:33:18 PM 911 Views
Don't read an emotion into that I didn't put into it. - 27/01/2010 09:44:37 PM 720 Views
Oh, well there are examples. Google those ads I mentioned - 27/01/2010 11:24:10 PM 724 Views
all athesim means is not believing in deities 9_9 - 27/01/2010 11:30:37 PM 730 Views
Fortunately, positivity doesn't appear to be the qualifying characteristic - 27/01/2010 08:26:28 PM 829 Views
Well there is a difference between... - 27/01/2010 09:47:36 PM 1024 Views
The fact is that it was a positive message, whether you agreed with it or not. - 27/01/2010 09:52:47 PM 889 Views
Says the Protestant. - 27/01/2010 11:22:05 PM 880 Views
What is the UCC? *NM* - 29/01/2010 02:59:07 AM 544 Views
United Church of Christ - 29/01/2010 02:24:11 PM 771 Views
I don't think it is the same thing - 27/01/2010 07:17:19 PM 739 Views
I wasn't making an argument- just that it'd be interesting - 27/01/2010 08:11:57 PM 720 Views
that I can agree with - 27/01/2010 08:27:30 PM 823 Views
Re: I think that its a fantastic idea... - 28/01/2010 03:36:11 AM 836 Views
Hey whatever they want to pay for - 27/01/2010 05:52:11 PM 925 Views
Hahahaha... I couldn't care less, but this line cracked me up - 27/01/2010 06:19:37 PM 919 Views
wow...I didn't even think of that... - 27/01/2010 06:39:04 PM 862 Views
Heh. *NM* - 28/01/2010 10:43:43 PM 533 Views
I think they need to treat all sides the same - 27/01/2010 06:49:47 PM 861 Views
agreed *NM* - 27/01/2010 07:15:48 PM 528 Views
this. *NM* - 28/01/2010 01:33:01 AM 472 Views
whether you agree with Tebow or not... - 27/01/2010 06:51:58 PM 892 Views
I don't think there'd be a problem if it wasn't the Super Bowl - 27/01/2010 07:35:18 PM 861 Views
The problem is the hyprocrisy of CBS. - 27/01/2010 07:56:58 PM 983 Views
Bingo. - 27/01/2010 07:58:01 PM 737 Views
And they claim this is the result of you liberal types pissing and moaning. - 27/01/2010 08:40:57 PM 821 Views
Yeah, I'm sure that's it. - 27/01/2010 08:44:26 PM 724 Views
"the buggery agenda" - 27/01/2010 08:47:28 PM 863 Views
I know, I loved it! I might start using that instead of Fagenda. *NM* - 27/01/2010 09:03:53 PM 542 Views
You might need to rework titles too. "Most Buggered", "Her Buggerness" - 27/01/2010 09:06:44 PM 995 Views
this commercial is only a big deal to those - 27/01/2010 07:59:27 PM 928 Views
I really, really hope a pro-choice group buys the next ad space - 27/01/2010 08:09:16 PM 996 Views
Replace Hitler with Ben Affleck and I'd help pay for it. - 27/01/2010 08:12:25 PM 736 Views
that's funny enough it'd pay for itself - 27/01/2010 08:13:31 PM 830 Views
But how would you folks argue on the internet then? I'd still have Stalin... *NM* - 27/01/2010 08:49:17 PM 504 Views
I'm sure people could think of something *NM* - 27/01/2010 09:00:23 PM 399 Views
LMAO! that would be awesome *NM* - 28/01/2010 12:02:25 AM 538 Views
The funny thing is - 27/01/2010 08:28:22 PM 1042 Views
Oh no you di'in't! - 27/01/2010 08:54:47 PM 648 Views
I had a similar thought... - 27/01/2010 10:17:15 PM 844 Views
*NM* - 28/01/2010 01:12:46 AM 482 Views
*brain explodes* - 27/01/2010 08:30:51 PM 753 Views
are your sinuses clear now? *NM* - 27/01/2010 08:54:18 PM 490 Views
Oddly enough, they aren't. - 27/01/2010 08:59:27 PM 899 Views
thats what you get for living in the hill country - 27/01/2010 09:10:09 PM 820 Views
Not my idea, and I'm working on it. - 28/01/2010 12:36:17 AM 852 Views
the super bowl is no place for political messages, no matter how thinly veiled. - 28/01/2010 05:15:13 AM 755 Views
Are you saying that CBS should be required to run an opposing ad? *NM* - 28/01/2010 05:19:39 AM 478 Views
if they are going to approve a political message, they should be required to air the opposite view - 28/01/2010 05:27:33 AM 752 Views
I'm pretty strongly pro-choice and even I find that silly. *NM* - 28/01/2010 06:55:37 AM 542 Views
What kind of ad would they run in response? - 28/01/2010 11:50:10 PM 882 Views
more like.... - 29/01/2010 03:20:24 AM 999 Views
The problem with Pro-Choice is... - 28/01/2010 02:12:13 PM 859 Views
Not really a fair comment - 28/01/2010 02:44:21 PM 837 Views
Re: Not really a fair comment - 28/01/2010 03:27:03 PM 952 Views
I can't see Youtube at work and am out the next couple of nights so I can't see it till the weekend - 28/01/2010 03:36:48 PM 725 Views
I know you were going to tell me that it was slanted... - 28/01/2010 03:57:37 PM 874 Views
That is unfair on me - 28/01/2010 04:18:07 PM 867 Views
Sorry...wasn't trying to be unfair.... - 28/01/2010 04:34:18 PM 903 Views
Apology accepted - 28/01/2010 04:52:39 PM 708 Views
...which is yet another argument for publicly funded healthcare - 28/01/2010 03:46:25 PM 734 Views
Re: ...which is yet another argument for publicly funded healthcare - 28/01/2010 04:03:46 PM 850 Views
An unfortunate choice of words.... - 28/01/2010 07:00:18 PM 728 Views
I don't think it's so much a matter of supplying misleading information, - 28/01/2010 11:07:24 PM 792 Views
Ah, - 29/01/2010 02:51:22 PM 838 Views
No. - 29/01/2010 06:10:47 PM 928 Views

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