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Okay then, that's fair enough LadyLorraine Send a noteboard - 27/01/2010 10:48:10 PM
I'm a veterinary student who's taken a reasonable amount of repro classes that discuss comparative embryology :P I'm still don't necessarily agree with you, but I'll at least listen ;)

It still doesn't clear up the issue, though, even if the development is different. the right to live is something that is debated on even with full grown adults. You choose to err on the side of caution. I choose to err on the side of inclusion. I admit that's a lot more paper shuffling in the law and probably wouldn't end up being effective most of the time...but I just believe that's how it should be done.

As for fully elective abortion...Ethically I 100% agree with you. Legally...I'm very undecided. On one hand, I think that fully elective abortion (i.e. not for medical reasons/rape) gives people the freedom to make choices based on their own ethical beliefs on the issue. There are a lot of reasons besides medical that a mother might decide the child is better off never living. We could argue the legitimacy of each one all night long, but I think the issue is too gray to definitively say X person is right, Y person is wrong, etc...etc...

On the other hand, people are stupid and selfish and there is the risk of a great deal of lost potential. And as much as the world really does not need more humans littering its surface, that does not make human lives less valuable.

I really just can't make myself take a yes/no position on it. Fence-sitter, flip flopper, call me what you will. I haven't finished weighing my pros and cons, so I guess I'll just have to deal with it ;)
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Anti-Abortion CBS Super Bowl commercial - 27/01/2010 05:35:37 PM 1753 Views
I think that its a fantastic idea... - 27/01/2010 05:46:17 PM 1034 Views
agreed... somewhat. - 27/01/2010 05:52:26 PM 963 Views
See, that's the debate here... - 27/01/2010 06:03:01 PM 781 Views
depending on the developmental stage, an embryo might be nothign more than a clump of cells. - 27/01/2010 07:18:25 PM 655 Views
You make baby Allah cry. *NM* - 27/01/2010 07:58:01 PM 489 Views
was it the dog comparison? - 27/01/2010 07:59:22 PM 828 Views
Nah, Dog is God reversed, after all. - 27/01/2010 08:29:12 PM 774 Views
parasites! parasites i say!!! - 27/01/2010 08:37:53 PM 795 Views
yeah except islam allows abortion in certain conditions - 28/01/2010 05:43:29 AM 777 Views
Do those conditions include "I don't want a baby"? - 28/01/2010 11:52:24 PM 1008 Views
some scholars say yes, some say no - 29/01/2010 05:51:18 AM 901 Views
Shall we be technical.... - 27/01/2010 09:28:20 PM 784 Views
And since when are you a trained eye? - 27/01/2010 09:52:05 PM 890 Views
A valid question - 27/01/2010 10:07:16 PM 767 Views
Okay then, that's fair enough - 27/01/2010 10:48:10 PM 776 Views
If there's a chance the mother might die... - 27/01/2010 07:30:54 PM 848 Views
Which is why I'm against elective abortion - 27/01/2010 09:33:59 PM 804 Views
Then we are in accord. - 27/01/2010 10:00:32 PM 810 Views
That works.... - 27/01/2010 10:10:22 PM 815 Views
And I think that is wonderful. - 27/01/2010 10:33:05 PM 913 Views
I want to see an atheism Superbowl ad - 27/01/2010 06:21:02 PM 880 Views
Re: I want to see an atheism Superbowl ad - 27/01/2010 06:35:30 PM 823 Views
Go ahead and pay for one.... - 27/01/2010 06:37:18 PM 929 Views
- 27/01/2010 07:01:59 PM 853 Views
at your - 27/01/2010 07:03:39 PM 794 Views
how does atheism take anything away? - 27/01/2010 07:20:49 PM 831 Views
Exactly - 27/01/2010 07:29:49 PM 811 Views
Smiles.... - 27/01/2010 09:38:25 PM 783 Views
just because you believe in god - 27/01/2010 09:57:39 PM 678 Views
losing, not loosing *NM* - 27/01/2010 10:22:51 PM 496 Views
Re: Smiles.... - 29/01/2010 09:03:48 PM 749 Views
LOL It only "takes away" mental enslavement. - 27/01/2010 07:50:56 PM 803 Views
Who says? - 27/01/2010 09:42:07 PM 795 Views
You're not "open" to anything. - 27/01/2010 10:02:03 PM 931 Views
I don't need your sadness dude...or your pity. - 27/01/2010 10:19:43 PM 809 Views
Personally speaking - 27/01/2010 10:36:45 PM 841 Views
Although off topic that's exactly how I see it too. *NM* - 27/01/2010 10:43:49 PM 489 Views
But notice your perspective Brian... - 27/01/2010 11:08:52 PM 920 Views
Your argument assumes in the existance of the Christian God. - 27/01/2010 11:28:16 PM 786 Views
Because we're His children - 28/01/2010 01:08:20 AM 812 Views
My perspective as someone who is for the most part an Atheist? - 28/01/2010 01:13:02 AM 725 Views
You have a very odd and self-serving notion of what "open" is. - 28/01/2010 12:12:06 AM 4155 Views
Tolerance much? - 27/01/2010 08:11:12 PM 851 Views
I took care of that. - 27/01/2010 08:33:18 PM 847 Views
Don't read an emotion into that I didn't put into it. - 27/01/2010 09:44:37 PM 650 Views
Oh, well there are examples. Google those ads I mentioned - 27/01/2010 11:24:10 PM 653 Views
all athesim means is not believing in deities 9_9 - 27/01/2010 11:30:37 PM 649 Views
Fortunately, positivity doesn't appear to be the qualifying characteristic - 27/01/2010 08:26:28 PM 751 Views
Well there is a difference between... - 27/01/2010 09:47:36 PM 947 Views
The fact is that it was a positive message, whether you agreed with it or not. - 27/01/2010 09:52:47 PM 811 Views
Says the Protestant. - 27/01/2010 11:22:05 PM 806 Views
What is the UCC? *NM* - 29/01/2010 02:59:07 AM 513 Views
United Church of Christ - 29/01/2010 02:24:11 PM 701 Views
I don't think it is the same thing - 27/01/2010 07:17:19 PM 666 Views
I wasn't making an argument- just that it'd be interesting - 27/01/2010 08:11:57 PM 649 Views
that I can agree with - 27/01/2010 08:27:30 PM 748 Views
Re: I think that its a fantastic idea... - 28/01/2010 03:36:11 AM 764 Views
Hey whatever they want to pay for - 27/01/2010 05:52:11 PM 843 Views
Hahahaha... I couldn't care less, but this line cracked me up - 27/01/2010 06:19:37 PM 857 Views
wow...I didn't even think of that... - 27/01/2010 06:39:04 PM 792 Views
Heh. *NM* - 28/01/2010 10:43:43 PM 491 Views
I think they need to treat all sides the same - 27/01/2010 06:49:47 PM 789 Views
agreed *NM* - 27/01/2010 07:15:48 PM 499 Views
this. *NM* - 28/01/2010 01:33:01 AM 444 Views
whether you agree with Tebow or not... - 27/01/2010 06:51:58 PM 817 Views
I don't think there'd be a problem if it wasn't the Super Bowl - 27/01/2010 07:35:18 PM 764 Views
The problem is the hyprocrisy of CBS. - 27/01/2010 07:56:58 PM 899 Views
Bingo. - 27/01/2010 07:58:01 PM 666 Views
And they claim this is the result of you liberal types pissing and moaning. - 27/01/2010 08:40:57 PM 750 Views
Yeah, I'm sure that's it. - 27/01/2010 08:44:26 PM 648 Views
"the buggery agenda" - 27/01/2010 08:47:28 PM 786 Views
I know, I loved it! I might start using that instead of Fagenda. *NM* - 27/01/2010 09:03:53 PM 514 Views
You might need to rework titles too. "Most Buggered", "Her Buggerness" - 27/01/2010 09:06:44 PM 922 Views
this commercial is only a big deal to those - 27/01/2010 07:59:27 PM 852 Views
I really, really hope a pro-choice group buys the next ad space - 27/01/2010 08:09:16 PM 892 Views
Replace Hitler with Ben Affleck and I'd help pay for it. - 27/01/2010 08:12:25 PM 663 Views
that's funny enough it'd pay for itself - 27/01/2010 08:13:31 PM 757 Views
But how would you folks argue on the internet then? I'd still have Stalin... *NM* - 27/01/2010 08:49:17 PM 472 Views
I'm sure people could think of something *NM* - 27/01/2010 09:00:23 PM 368 Views
LMAO! that would be awesome *NM* - 28/01/2010 12:02:25 AM 518 Views
The funny thing is - 27/01/2010 08:28:22 PM 966 Views
Oh no you di'in't! - 27/01/2010 08:54:47 PM 575 Views
I had a similar thought... - 27/01/2010 10:17:15 PM 773 Views
*NM* - 28/01/2010 01:12:46 AM 450 Views
*brain explodes* - 27/01/2010 08:30:51 PM 673 Views
are your sinuses clear now? *NM* - 27/01/2010 08:54:18 PM 462 Views
Oddly enough, they aren't. - 27/01/2010 08:59:27 PM 825 Views
thats what you get for living in the hill country - 27/01/2010 09:10:09 PM 744 Views
Not my idea, and I'm working on it. - 28/01/2010 12:36:17 AM 773 Views
the super bowl is no place for political messages, no matter how thinly veiled. - 28/01/2010 05:15:13 AM 676 Views
Are you saying that CBS should be required to run an opposing ad? *NM* - 28/01/2010 05:19:39 AM 446 Views
if they are going to approve a political message, they should be required to air the opposite view - 28/01/2010 05:27:33 AM 665 Views
I'm pretty strongly pro-choice and even I find that silly. *NM* - 28/01/2010 06:55:37 AM 506 Views
What kind of ad would they run in response? - 28/01/2010 11:50:10 PM 807 Views
more like.... - 29/01/2010 03:20:24 AM 917 Views
The problem with Pro-Choice is... - 28/01/2010 02:12:13 PM 779 Views
Not really a fair comment - 28/01/2010 02:44:21 PM 766 Views
Re: Not really a fair comment - 28/01/2010 03:27:03 PM 871 Views
I can't see Youtube at work and am out the next couple of nights so I can't see it till the weekend - 28/01/2010 03:36:48 PM 652 Views
I know you were going to tell me that it was slanted... - 28/01/2010 03:57:37 PM 806 Views
That is unfair on me - 28/01/2010 04:18:07 PM 789 Views
Sorry...wasn't trying to be unfair.... - 28/01/2010 04:34:18 PM 850 Views
Apology accepted - 28/01/2010 04:52:39 PM 637 Views
...which is yet another argument for publicly funded healthcare - 28/01/2010 03:46:25 PM 663 Views
Re: ...which is yet another argument for publicly funded healthcare - 28/01/2010 04:03:46 PM 770 Views
An unfortunate choice of words.... - 28/01/2010 07:00:18 PM 659 Views
I don't think it's so much a matter of supplying misleading information, - 28/01/2010 11:07:24 PM 745 Views
Ah, - 29/01/2010 02:51:22 PM 767 Views
No. - 29/01/2010 06:10:47 PM 850 Views

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