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I wasn't commenting on the commercial, I did that further below. LadyLorraine Send a noteboard - 27/01/2010 08:59:17 PM
then you have to make a decision between the possibility to lose two people (one of whom is a fully developed person entrenched in society with relationships, personal history, etc...etc...) or only losing a mass of cells that there is no attachment to other than biological drive and "oh but what might have been!!"
You can easily extend the same argument to babies.


You can extend the same argument to any stranger. And also a baby is very clearly alive, whereas at what point someone becomes "human" is still up to a great deal of debate and subjectivity.

So yes...the mother's decision allowed for "Tim" to be born. But what if she had died before carrying to term? his mother would have been gone and quite possibly Tim as well, leading to a more tragic ending.
Dead Christians is a tragedy?


Of course it is.

There is too many factors to declare that abortion be declared illegal. The government should not demand people sacrifice their own health for the sake of an embryo. If a family wants to, that is their choice. If a family does not want to, it is their choice.
They made their choice when they got pregnant.


Some obstetric issues do not become apparent until investigated, and most people do not have a thorough examination before becoming pregnant. They assume "I am healthy, I have never had reproductive issues, and thus I should be able to bear children". Even those who do and have made the conscious decision to not have children may become pregnant by protection error or perhaps even rape. Yes, if you become pregnant knowing that you put your own health at risk, that is a very poor excuse to use to get an abortion. But many people are not in that situation, and many people do not "plan" to get pregnant. Not to mention the poor souls who become pregnant after being raped.

And no, a child is not to be held accountable for the circumstances of his birth, but there is no definitive measure for one becomes an entity. As I'm sure you are aware, there are arguments from conception all the way to parturition. Many of the arguments on all sides are very subjective and unscientific, and there is absolutely no scientific or objective consensus.

I do not advocate everyone who has an accidental pregnancy, or decides they don't want to be pregnant getting an abortion. That is a horrible waste of potential life, and irresponsible. But I believe it should remain an open option for situations like unexpected complications or rape.
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Anti-Abortion CBS Super Bowl commercial - 27/01/2010 05:35:37 PM 1753 Views
I think that its a fantastic idea... - 27/01/2010 05:46:17 PM 1036 Views
agreed... somewhat. - 27/01/2010 05:52:26 PM 966 Views
See, that's the debate here... - 27/01/2010 06:03:01 PM 783 Views
depending on the developmental stage, an embryo might be nothign more than a clump of cells. - 27/01/2010 07:18:25 PM 657 Views
You make baby Allah cry. *NM* - 27/01/2010 07:58:01 PM 489 Views
was it the dog comparison? - 27/01/2010 07:59:22 PM 831 Views
Nah, Dog is God reversed, after all. - 27/01/2010 08:29:12 PM 775 Views
parasites! parasites i say!!! - 27/01/2010 08:37:53 PM 797 Views
yeah except islam allows abortion in certain conditions - 28/01/2010 05:43:29 AM 782 Views
Do those conditions include "I don't want a baby"? - 28/01/2010 11:52:24 PM 1009 Views
some scholars say yes, some say no - 29/01/2010 05:51:18 AM 904 Views
Shall we be technical.... - 27/01/2010 09:28:20 PM 785 Views
And since when are you a trained eye? - 27/01/2010 09:52:05 PM 891 Views
A valid question - 27/01/2010 10:07:16 PM 769 Views
Okay then, that's fair enough - 27/01/2010 10:48:10 PM 777 Views
If there's a chance the mother might die... - 27/01/2010 07:30:54 PM 849 Views
What if the "real" preson is an asshole? I'd gamble on the baby who has the potential to not be. - 27/01/2010 08:44:57 PM 749 Views
I wasn't commenting on the commercial, I did that further below. - 27/01/2010 08:59:17 PM 767 Views
Which is why I'm against elective abortion - 27/01/2010 09:33:59 PM 804 Views
Then we are in accord. - 27/01/2010 10:00:32 PM 810 Views
That works.... - 27/01/2010 10:10:22 PM 815 Views
And I think that is wonderful. - 27/01/2010 10:33:05 PM 914 Views
I want to see an atheism Superbowl ad - 27/01/2010 06:21:02 PM 882 Views
Re: I want to see an atheism Superbowl ad - 27/01/2010 06:35:30 PM 823 Views
Go ahead and pay for one.... - 27/01/2010 06:37:18 PM 931 Views
- 27/01/2010 07:01:59 PM 855 Views
at your - 27/01/2010 07:03:39 PM 796 Views
how does atheism take anything away? - 27/01/2010 07:20:49 PM 833 Views
Exactly - 27/01/2010 07:29:49 PM 813 Views
Smiles.... - 27/01/2010 09:38:25 PM 785 Views
just because you believe in god - 27/01/2010 09:57:39 PM 680 Views
losing, not loosing *NM* - 27/01/2010 10:22:51 PM 496 Views
Re: Smiles.... - 29/01/2010 09:03:48 PM 751 Views
LOL It only "takes away" mental enslavement. - 27/01/2010 07:50:56 PM 804 Views
Who says? - 27/01/2010 09:42:07 PM 797 Views
You're not "open" to anything. - 27/01/2010 10:02:03 PM 933 Views
I don't need your sadness dude...or your pity. - 27/01/2010 10:19:43 PM 811 Views
Personally speaking - 27/01/2010 10:36:45 PM 843 Views
Although off topic that's exactly how I see it too. *NM* - 27/01/2010 10:43:49 PM 489 Views
But notice your perspective Brian... - 27/01/2010 11:08:52 PM 922 Views
Your argument assumes in the existance of the Christian God. - 27/01/2010 11:28:16 PM 788 Views
Because we're His children - 28/01/2010 01:08:20 AM 814 Views
My perspective as someone who is for the most part an Atheist? - 28/01/2010 01:13:02 AM 728 Views
You have a very odd and self-serving notion of what "open" is. - 28/01/2010 12:12:06 AM 4155 Views
Tolerance much? - 27/01/2010 08:11:12 PM 853 Views
I took care of that. - 27/01/2010 08:33:18 PM 849 Views
Don't read an emotion into that I didn't put into it. - 27/01/2010 09:44:37 PM 652 Views
Oh, well there are examples. Google those ads I mentioned - 27/01/2010 11:24:10 PM 655 Views
all athesim means is not believing in deities 9_9 - 27/01/2010 11:30:37 PM 651 Views
Fortunately, positivity doesn't appear to be the qualifying characteristic - 27/01/2010 08:26:28 PM 752 Views
Well there is a difference between... - 27/01/2010 09:47:36 PM 949 Views
The fact is that it was a positive message, whether you agreed with it or not. - 27/01/2010 09:52:47 PM 813 Views
Says the Protestant. - 27/01/2010 11:22:05 PM 807 Views
What is the UCC? *NM* - 29/01/2010 02:59:07 AM 513 Views
United Church of Christ - 29/01/2010 02:24:11 PM 703 Views
I don't think it is the same thing - 27/01/2010 07:17:19 PM 666 Views
I wasn't making an argument- just that it'd be interesting - 27/01/2010 08:11:57 PM 651 Views
that I can agree with - 27/01/2010 08:27:30 PM 749 Views
Re: I think that its a fantastic idea... - 28/01/2010 03:36:11 AM 766 Views
Hey whatever they want to pay for - 27/01/2010 05:52:11 PM 845 Views
Hahahaha... I couldn't care less, but this line cracked me up - 27/01/2010 06:19:37 PM 858 Views
wow...I didn't even think of that... - 27/01/2010 06:39:04 PM 794 Views
Heh. *NM* - 28/01/2010 10:43:43 PM 491 Views
I think they need to treat all sides the same - 27/01/2010 06:49:47 PM 791 Views
agreed *NM* - 27/01/2010 07:15:48 PM 499 Views
this. *NM* - 28/01/2010 01:33:01 AM 444 Views
whether you agree with Tebow or not... - 27/01/2010 06:51:58 PM 819 Views
I don't think there'd be a problem if it wasn't the Super Bowl - 27/01/2010 07:35:18 PM 766 Views
The problem is the hyprocrisy of CBS. - 27/01/2010 07:56:58 PM 901 Views
Bingo. - 27/01/2010 07:58:01 PM 668 Views
And they claim this is the result of you liberal types pissing and moaning. - 27/01/2010 08:40:57 PM 752 Views
Yeah, I'm sure that's it. - 27/01/2010 08:44:26 PM 650 Views
"the buggery agenda" - 27/01/2010 08:47:28 PM 787 Views
I know, I loved it! I might start using that instead of Fagenda. *NM* - 27/01/2010 09:03:53 PM 514 Views
You might need to rework titles too. "Most Buggered", "Her Buggerness" - 27/01/2010 09:06:44 PM 923 Views
this commercial is only a big deal to those - 27/01/2010 07:59:27 PM 853 Views
I really, really hope a pro-choice group buys the next ad space - 27/01/2010 08:09:16 PM 894 Views
Replace Hitler with Ben Affleck and I'd help pay for it. - 27/01/2010 08:12:25 PM 665 Views
that's funny enough it'd pay for itself - 27/01/2010 08:13:31 PM 760 Views
But how would you folks argue on the internet then? I'd still have Stalin... *NM* - 27/01/2010 08:49:17 PM 472 Views
I'm sure people could think of something *NM* - 27/01/2010 09:00:23 PM 368 Views
LMAO! that would be awesome *NM* - 28/01/2010 12:02:25 AM 518 Views
The funny thing is - 27/01/2010 08:28:22 PM 968 Views
Oh no you di'in't! - 27/01/2010 08:54:47 PM 578 Views
I had a similar thought... - 27/01/2010 10:17:15 PM 774 Views
*NM* - 28/01/2010 01:12:46 AM 450 Views
*brain explodes* - 27/01/2010 08:30:51 PM 675 Views
are your sinuses clear now? *NM* - 27/01/2010 08:54:18 PM 462 Views
Oddly enough, they aren't. - 27/01/2010 08:59:27 PM 827 Views
thats what you get for living in the hill country - 27/01/2010 09:10:09 PM 746 Views
Not my idea, and I'm working on it. - 28/01/2010 12:36:17 AM 775 Views
the super bowl is no place for political messages, no matter how thinly veiled. - 28/01/2010 05:15:13 AM 678 Views
Are you saying that CBS should be required to run an opposing ad? *NM* - 28/01/2010 05:19:39 AM 446 Views
if they are going to approve a political message, they should be required to air the opposite view - 28/01/2010 05:27:33 AM 667 Views
I'm pretty strongly pro-choice and even I find that silly. *NM* - 28/01/2010 06:55:37 AM 506 Views
What kind of ad would they run in response? - 28/01/2010 11:50:10 PM 810 Views
more like.... - 29/01/2010 03:20:24 AM 918 Views
The problem with Pro-Choice is... - 28/01/2010 02:12:13 PM 780 Views
Not really a fair comment - 28/01/2010 02:44:21 PM 768 Views
Re: Not really a fair comment - 28/01/2010 03:27:03 PM 874 Views
I can't see Youtube at work and am out the next couple of nights so I can't see it till the weekend - 28/01/2010 03:36:48 PM 654 Views
I know you were going to tell me that it was slanted... - 28/01/2010 03:57:37 PM 807 Views
That is unfair on me - 28/01/2010 04:18:07 PM 791 Views
Sorry...wasn't trying to be unfair.... - 28/01/2010 04:34:18 PM 851 Views
Apology accepted - 28/01/2010 04:52:39 PM 640 Views
...which is yet another argument for publicly funded healthcare - 28/01/2010 03:46:25 PM 665 Views
Re: ...which is yet another argument for publicly funded healthcare - 28/01/2010 04:03:46 PM 772 Views
An unfortunate choice of words.... - 28/01/2010 07:00:18 PM 661 Views
I don't think it's so much a matter of supplying misleading information, - 28/01/2010 11:07:24 PM 747 Views
Ah, - 29/01/2010 02:51:22 PM 769 Views
No. - 29/01/2010 06:10:47 PM 852 Views

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