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I believe I vented that the bill was crap, but that the alternative was crap as well Larry Send a noteboard - 20/01/2010 11:16:56 PM
I don't have insurance right now, either. I worry about that. However, this bill just makes things worse (regardless of which version you look at).

The key things that need to be addressed are:

1. Limiting medical malpractice lawsuits (should be done at the Federal level)
2. Emergency room reform to reduce hospital costs (could be done with Federal laws allowing people with non-serious conditions to be refused and a Federally-imposed 1% sales tax in every state to pay for the added hospital costs of illegals and no-pays)
3. A Federally imposed maximum price for a "minimum" insurance plan that could be purchased by people who don't have insurance



I just get the sense that eventually there'll have to be a structural change to how things are organized; what form that'll take ought to be debated and not argued in rhetoric that varies only slightly in tone and tenor from gang turf wars :P
Illusions fall like the husk of a fruit, one after another, and the fruit is experience. - Narrator, Sylvie

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BROWN WINS! Let's celebrate the end of ObamaCare!!! Tom - 20/01/2010 02:20:22 AM 1466 Views
My vote put him over the top!!!! *NM* LiterateDog - 20/01/2010 02:22:50 AM 428 Views
Wait...you only voted once? Tom - 20/01/2010 02:24:42 AM 696 Views
I had planned to post a fake-news joke post earlier. LiterateDog - 20/01/2010 02:27:14 AM 839 Views
The joke is even less funny when written. The Shrike - 20/01/2010 02:51:18 PM 686 Views
*dances with you* LiterateDog - 20/01/2010 02:24:17 AM 705 Views
Because of Brown or because of dancing with me? *NM* Tom - 20/01/2010 02:25:24 AM 434 Views
Its hard to pick. *NM* LiterateDog - 20/01/2010 02:27:31 AM 372 Views
Don't jinx it Isaac - 20/01/2010 02:27:25 AM 820 Views
It's a win-win situation as far as I'm concerned. Tom - 20/01/2010 02:33:16 AM 732 Views
i predict that political predictions are not always so cut and dried moondog - 21/01/2010 01:50:23 AM 766 Views
God I love reading the shit at DailyKos right now. LiterateDog - 20/01/2010 02:45:23 AM 786 Views
Actually, there is a chance they can use reconiliation to pass it. I hope not. everynametaken - 20/01/2010 02:46:47 AM 831 Views
If they did that, they'd be signing their own resignations. Tom - 20/01/2010 02:54:56 AM 745 Views
Probably so but Pelosi did bring it up a few weeks ago. everynametaken - 20/01/2010 04:05:17 AM 726 Views
Pelosi never thought it would come to this a few weeks ago. Tom - 20/01/2010 04:18:15 AM 738 Views
Re: Pelosi never thought it would come to this a few weeks ago. everynametaken - 20/01/2010 04:48:32 AM 711 Views
They can, theoretically. Legolas - 20/01/2010 12:30:42 PM 717 Views
*does a cartwheel* ßelals Girl - 20/01/2010 03:07:00 AM 825 Views
If this isn't a wake up call to the democratic party... Dominic - 20/01/2010 03:39:36 AM 749 Views
I guess it depends on the wake up call's message. LiterateDog - 20/01/2010 03:45:38 AM 768 Views
indeed Dominic - 20/01/2010 03:51:39 AM 794 Views
Seriously?? Brian - 20/01/2010 03:54:56 AM 830 Views
The Democrats have the arrogance to say "people don't understand the Health Care Bill". Tom - 20/01/2010 03:57:17 AM 781 Views
agreed... *NM* Dominic - 20/01/2010 05:14:04 AM 485 Views
That is fucking nuts. *NM* everynametaken - 20/01/2010 04:06:48 AM 469 Views
Celebrate good times come on! trzaska2000 - 20/01/2010 03:53:01 AM 711 Views
I'm in no mood to celebrate Larry - 20/01/2010 04:34:42 AM 869 Views
Re: I'm in no mood to celebrate everynametaken - 20/01/2010 04:52:16 AM 747 Views
If it'd numb the pain, I'd take it gladly right now! Larry - 20/01/2010 05:47:04 AM 694 Views
Re: If it'd numb the pain, I'd take it gladly right now! everynametaken - 20/01/2010 06:12:34 AM 837 Views
Do you honestly think this bill would help you? Tom - 20/01/2010 02:21:02 PM 747 Views
I believe I vented that the bill was crap, but that the alternative was crap as well Larry - 20/01/2010 11:16:56 PM 880 Views
just wondering.... moondog - 21/01/2010 01:56:05 AM 759 Views
Well lucky you Roland00 - 21/01/2010 09:09:16 PM 821 Views
I don't understand this Tor - 20/01/2010 09:07:09 AM 1035 Views
Re: I don't understand this callandor1000 - 20/01/2010 12:43:39 PM 871 Views
That would be so massive a reform that it would never ever pass. Legolas - 20/01/2010 12:47:23 PM 798 Views
I think "tries" is the key word here. Avendesora - 20/01/2010 07:44:53 PM 756 Views
Yeah, that's true. *NM* Legolas - 20/01/2010 10:05:15 PM 405 Views
I think.... Elaine - 20/01/2010 12:52:07 PM 787 Views
There are a lot of reasons Tom - 20/01/2010 02:13:58 PM 759 Views
That was a really good response. *NM* Aemon - 20/01/2010 02:54:36 PM 520 Views
Re: There are a lot of reasons Macharius - 20/01/2010 03:02:48 PM 788 Views
There is the overtreatment aspect as well, of course. *NM* Tom - 20/01/2010 03:46:45 PM 401 Views
Groaning under illegal immigrants? Dannymac - 20/01/2010 03:38:23 PM 849 Views
Right...you just go back to what you know, though I'm not sure anyone has determined what that is. Tom - 20/01/2010 03:49:22 PM 746 Views
Re: There are a lot of reasons Maria - 20/01/2010 05:01:31 PM 779 Views
Re: There are a lot of reasons SilverWarder - 20/01/2010 11:00:11 PM 973 Views
I think your misunderstanding comes from one concept you mention. Palatine - 20/01/2010 04:57:27 PM 831 Views
Re: I don't understand this Avendesora - 20/01/2010 07:56:02 PM 748 Views
*celebrates the beginning of the downfall of the USA* *NM* callandor1000 - 20/01/2010 12:39:19 PM 398 Views
Want some sugar with those grapes? *NM* LiterateDog - 20/01/2010 12:41:33 PM 385 Views
Beginning? *NM* Legolas - 20/01/2010 12:47:51 PM 364 Views
Right...you just keep thinking that... *NM* Tom - 20/01/2010 02:15:41 PM 346 Views
The beginning!? Ha! *NM* Avendesora - 20/01/2010 07:47:57 PM 352 Views
This is excellent. I am happy. The Shrike - 20/01/2010 01:50:22 PM 730 Views
I'm not really familiar with Coakley or Brown Tom - 20/01/2010 02:22:51 PM 772 Views
"not the gay things" XD *NM* Avendesora - 20/01/2010 07:47:00 PM 373 Views
I do hope this doesn't turn Obama into a lame duck. *NM* AgentOrange - 20/01/2010 02:07:34 PM 412 Views
Frankly, I hope it does. *NM* Tom - 20/01/2010 02:15:11 PM 379 Views
Agreed. *NM* Gher - 20/01/2010 10:23:17 PM 370 Views
And then what will happen after that? Legolas - 20/01/2010 10:35:46 PM 884 Views
It would mean, effectively, that Congress controls the domestic agenda and Hillary foreign affairs. Tom - 20/01/2010 10:52:24 PM 578 Views
That's kind of ironic... Legolas - 20/01/2010 11:15:05 PM 893 Views
And condemn more people to untimely deaths? Ryan - 20/01/2010 02:33:08 PM 745 Views
Pity, that there is no government sanctioned murder of the stupid. The Shrike - 20/01/2010 02:52:52 PM 664 Views
I think the technical term is "dumbicide". LiterateDog - 20/01/2010 03:00:13 PM 770 Views
Don't the Darwin Awards help with that? *NM* Tom - 20/01/2010 03:50:37 PM 391 Views
Oh dear. Avendesora - 20/01/2010 07:42:18 PM 815 Views
Bah! LiterateDog - 20/01/2010 07:45:48 PM 703 Views
Democrats want the terrorists to win, and enjoy killing babies. beckstcw - 20/01/2010 02:59:35 PM 721 Views
Democrats don't just enjoy killing babies. They're not monsters. callandor1000 - 20/01/2010 07:46:59 PM 733 Views
As a matter of fact, some babies are put back into the womb, just so they can be aborted again. *NM* beckstcw - 22/01/2010 05:10:35 AM 466 Views
The elderly, eh? Too bad we don't have a program for that. *NM* LiterateDog - 20/01/2010 03:01:40 PM 438 Views
Well, the more elderly that die, the better chance Social Security will be saved. *NM* callandor1000 - 20/01/2010 07:44:57 PM 395 Views
They had their whole lives to save up! F*** 'em. *NM* Dark Cannoli'gar - 22/01/2010 01:12:20 PM 599 Views
I thought it was time for another such celebration... Dannymac - 20/01/2010 03:35:28 PM 780 Views
That thud you heard was the lid dropping on the coffin random thoughts - 20/01/2010 03:49:21 PM 789 Views
True, but it is now finally DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! trzaska2000 - 21/01/2010 01:08:12 AM 770 Views
I keep thinking this thread title says, "BROWNS WIN!" Sareitha Sedai - 21/01/2010 02:21:24 PM 695 Views
Lack of Health Care Reform means American Wage Stagnation Roland00 - 21/01/2010 06:38:11 PM 886 Views
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