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Re: I don't understand this callandor1000 Send a noteboard - 20/01/2010 12:43:39 PM
Granted, I'm considered rather left-wing by Norwegian standards, which probably makes me a communist by American standards, but I would still like to understand what people see as the problem with ObamaCare.

As I see it, the money to pay for hospitals etc. must come from the people. In Norway, that happens through taxes. People pay taxes to the government, the government gives the money to the hospitals (which are owned by the government). The way I understand it, in America those who can afford it give money to an insurance company, which then probably keeps some fraction of it for themselves, and hand the rest on to hospitals as their clients receive treatment.

I am simply unable to understand why it is seen as a good idea to involve private insurance companies, who are presumably looking to make a profit, into one of the most essential functions in a country.

I'm not deliberately trying to be difficult here, I just don't understand it, and I'd be happy if anyone could explain.


See, here is the problem. People don't want to pay taxes. They want cake but don't want to pay for the god damn ingredients. They're greedy, fucking bastards. And it doesn't matter that the way things have been done here have led us to our lowest point perhaps ever. We've still been doing things right over here. This is just a fluke.

Thats our problem here in America. We're greedy as all hell. BTW, not involving greedy private insurance companies is barbaric.

A third reason is any type of universal care here that is funded by taxes is looked upon as "forced charity". Now, charity in this country is a status thing. It is not about helping others. It's about making ourselves look better. If we're forced to do it by paying taxes that help others receive the same or similar health coverage as ourselves, then we've been tricked, gosh darn it. We're being taken advantage of! It simply can't be allowed.

Your mom. That's right. The cat is out of the bag. Your mom.

My mind isn't always in the gutter, it just has VIP access
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BROWN WINS! Let's celebrate the end of ObamaCare!!! Tom - 20/01/2010 02:20:22 AM 1466 Views
My vote put him over the top!!!! *NM* LiterateDog - 20/01/2010 02:22:50 AM 428 Views
Wait...you only voted once? Tom - 20/01/2010 02:24:42 AM 697 Views
I had planned to post a fake-news joke post earlier. LiterateDog - 20/01/2010 02:27:14 AM 841 Views
The joke is even less funny when written. The Shrike - 20/01/2010 02:51:18 PM 687 Views
*dances with you* LiterateDog - 20/01/2010 02:24:17 AM 706 Views
Because of Brown or because of dancing with me? *NM* Tom - 20/01/2010 02:25:24 AM 434 Views
Its hard to pick. *NM* LiterateDog - 20/01/2010 02:27:31 AM 372 Views
Don't jinx it Isaac - 20/01/2010 02:27:25 AM 822 Views
It's a win-win situation as far as I'm concerned. Tom - 20/01/2010 02:33:16 AM 732 Views
i predict that political predictions are not always so cut and dried moondog - 21/01/2010 01:50:23 AM 768 Views
God I love reading the shit at DailyKos right now. LiterateDog - 20/01/2010 02:45:23 AM 786 Views
Actually, there is a chance they can use reconiliation to pass it. I hope not. everynametaken - 20/01/2010 02:46:47 AM 833 Views
If they did that, they'd be signing their own resignations. Tom - 20/01/2010 02:54:56 AM 745 Views
Probably so but Pelosi did bring it up a few weeks ago. everynametaken - 20/01/2010 04:05:17 AM 726 Views
Pelosi never thought it would come to this a few weeks ago. Tom - 20/01/2010 04:18:15 AM 739 Views
Re: Pelosi never thought it would come to this a few weeks ago. everynametaken - 20/01/2010 04:48:32 AM 711 Views
They can, theoretically. Legolas - 20/01/2010 12:30:42 PM 717 Views
*does a cartwheel* ßelals Girl - 20/01/2010 03:07:00 AM 825 Views
If this isn't a wake up call to the democratic party... Dominic - 20/01/2010 03:39:36 AM 750 Views
I guess it depends on the wake up call's message. LiterateDog - 20/01/2010 03:45:38 AM 768 Views
indeed Dominic - 20/01/2010 03:51:39 AM 794 Views
Seriously?? Brian - 20/01/2010 03:54:56 AM 832 Views
The Democrats have the arrogance to say "people don't understand the Health Care Bill". Tom - 20/01/2010 03:57:17 AM 783 Views
agreed... *NM* Dominic - 20/01/2010 05:14:04 AM 485 Views
That is fucking nuts. *NM* everynametaken - 20/01/2010 04:06:48 AM 469 Views
Celebrate good times come on! trzaska2000 - 20/01/2010 03:53:01 AM 712 Views
I'm in no mood to celebrate Larry - 20/01/2010 04:34:42 AM 871 Views
Re: I'm in no mood to celebrate everynametaken - 20/01/2010 04:52:16 AM 747 Views
If it'd numb the pain, I'd take it gladly right now! Larry - 20/01/2010 05:47:04 AM 694 Views
Re: If it'd numb the pain, I'd take it gladly right now! everynametaken - 20/01/2010 06:12:34 AM 838 Views
Do you honestly think this bill would help you? Tom - 20/01/2010 02:21:02 PM 747 Views
I believe I vented that the bill was crap, but that the alternative was crap as well Larry - 20/01/2010 11:16:56 PM 881 Views
just wondering.... moondog - 21/01/2010 01:56:05 AM 760 Views
Well lucky you Roland00 - 21/01/2010 09:09:16 PM 822 Views
I don't understand this Tor - 20/01/2010 09:07:09 AM 1035 Views
Re: I don't understand this callandor1000 - 20/01/2010 12:43:39 PM 873 Views
That would be so massive a reform that it would never ever pass. Legolas - 20/01/2010 12:47:23 PM 798 Views
I think "tries" is the key word here. Avendesora - 20/01/2010 07:44:53 PM 756 Views
Yeah, that's true. *NM* Legolas - 20/01/2010 10:05:15 PM 405 Views
I think.... Elaine - 20/01/2010 12:52:07 PM 788 Views
There are a lot of reasons Tom - 20/01/2010 02:13:58 PM 759 Views
That was a really good response. *NM* Aemon - 20/01/2010 02:54:36 PM 520 Views
Re: There are a lot of reasons Macharius - 20/01/2010 03:02:48 PM 789 Views
There is the overtreatment aspect as well, of course. *NM* Tom - 20/01/2010 03:46:45 PM 401 Views
Groaning under illegal immigrants? Dannymac - 20/01/2010 03:38:23 PM 849 Views
Right...you just go back to what you know, though I'm not sure anyone has determined what that is. Tom - 20/01/2010 03:49:22 PM 747 Views
Re: There are a lot of reasons Maria - 20/01/2010 05:01:31 PM 781 Views
Re: There are a lot of reasons SilverWarder - 20/01/2010 11:00:11 PM 973 Views
I think your misunderstanding comes from one concept you mention. Palatine - 20/01/2010 04:57:27 PM 833 Views
Re: I don't understand this Avendesora - 20/01/2010 07:56:02 PM 749 Views
*celebrates the beginning of the downfall of the USA* *NM* callandor1000 - 20/01/2010 12:39:19 PM 398 Views
Want some sugar with those grapes? *NM* LiterateDog - 20/01/2010 12:41:33 PM 385 Views
Beginning? *NM* Legolas - 20/01/2010 12:47:51 PM 364 Views
Right...you just keep thinking that... *NM* Tom - 20/01/2010 02:15:41 PM 346 Views
The beginning!? Ha! *NM* Avendesora - 20/01/2010 07:47:57 PM 352 Views
This is excellent. I am happy. The Shrike - 20/01/2010 01:50:22 PM 730 Views
I'm not really familiar with Coakley or Brown Tom - 20/01/2010 02:22:51 PM 772 Views
"not the gay things" XD *NM* Avendesora - 20/01/2010 07:47:00 PM 373 Views
I do hope this doesn't turn Obama into a lame duck. *NM* AgentOrange - 20/01/2010 02:07:34 PM 412 Views
Frankly, I hope it does. *NM* Tom - 20/01/2010 02:15:11 PM 379 Views
Agreed. *NM* Gher - 20/01/2010 10:23:17 PM 370 Views
And then what will happen after that? Legolas - 20/01/2010 10:35:46 PM 884 Views
It would mean, effectively, that Congress controls the domestic agenda and Hillary foreign affairs. Tom - 20/01/2010 10:52:24 PM 578 Views
That's kind of ironic... Legolas - 20/01/2010 11:15:05 PM 894 Views
And condemn more people to untimely deaths? Ryan - 20/01/2010 02:33:08 PM 745 Views
Pity, that there is no government sanctioned murder of the stupid. The Shrike - 20/01/2010 02:52:52 PM 665 Views
I think the technical term is "dumbicide". LiterateDog - 20/01/2010 03:00:13 PM 770 Views
Don't the Darwin Awards help with that? *NM* Tom - 20/01/2010 03:50:37 PM 391 Views
Oh dear. Avendesora - 20/01/2010 07:42:18 PM 815 Views
Bah! LiterateDog - 20/01/2010 07:45:48 PM 705 Views
Democrats want the terrorists to win, and enjoy killing babies. beckstcw - 20/01/2010 02:59:35 PM 721 Views
Democrats don't just enjoy killing babies. They're not monsters. callandor1000 - 20/01/2010 07:46:59 PM 733 Views
As a matter of fact, some babies are put back into the womb, just so they can be aborted again. *NM* beckstcw - 22/01/2010 05:10:35 AM 466 Views
The elderly, eh? Too bad we don't have a program for that. *NM* LiterateDog - 20/01/2010 03:01:40 PM 438 Views
Well, the more elderly that die, the better chance Social Security will be saved. *NM* callandor1000 - 20/01/2010 07:44:57 PM 395 Views
They had their whole lives to save up! F*** 'em. *NM* Dark Cannoli'gar - 22/01/2010 01:12:20 PM 599 Views
I thought it was time for another such celebration... Dannymac - 20/01/2010 03:35:28 PM 780 Views
That thud you heard was the lid dropping on the coffin random thoughts - 20/01/2010 03:49:21 PM 790 Views
True, but it is now finally DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! trzaska2000 - 21/01/2010 01:08:12 AM 771 Views
I keep thinking this thread title says, "BROWNS WIN!" Sareitha Sedai - 21/01/2010 02:21:24 PM 696 Views
Lack of Health Care Reform means American Wage Stagnation Roland00 - 21/01/2010 06:38:11 PM 886 Views
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