what if it's picked off, run back for a TD, onside kick recovery and another TD? Suddenly it's a 7 point game again.
the fact that you would be willing to make this argument against the pass shows that you are wrong to call it running up the score. again, this is the playoffs, and anything can and will happen given the right circumstances. keep scoring until the clock runs out, it's up to the other guys to worry about stopping you from doing so.
In neither case is "try a 20 yd TD pass" the best option. It's the riskiest way to a four score lead. I don't expect any team to ever comeback from 3 TDs down inside 2:00, but even if, for the sake of argument, I concede the possibility, a FG is as good as a TD for Minnesota at that point (and a turnover to be avoided at all costs. ) Like I said, if it's a bad idea to try the pass with a 7 point lead inside 2:00, the relevant math doesn't change much if "1 TD" becomes "3 TDs. "
if you're worried about grandstanding, that's one thing. but in the NFL playoffs it's very difficult to make a case of running up the score. are you going to also complain of reggie bush running that punt back for a TD?they had the game in hand at that point and didn't need the extra points maybe he should have just taken a knee once he got past the kicker? i don't have much sympathy for teams that get scored on in the playoffs. even if it happens to my team, they made the playoffs, they know what's at stake, it's up to them to elevate their play or go home.
About the only thing Bush could do to prevent that, though, was run out of bounds, which would have been patronizing. Beside which, the Cardinals kept kicking to him (in fact he fair caught another one after the TD) so I really don't feel bad for them. The Vikings had other options; according to Childress, the entire freaking team met on the sidelines to decide if they should go for it on 4th and 3 from the 11 with 1:55 remaining. That they decided the answer was "yes" doesn't speak well of the organization, IMHO.
Everything I said applies just as much to a 24 point lead as to a 21 point lead. In fact, I can't think of a lead that makes going for it tactically sound:
With a lead of 1 or 2 points you kick, so they can't win with a FG.
With a lead of 3 points you kick, so they can't tie with a FG.
With a lead of 4, 5 or 6 points you kick, so they can't win with a TD.
With a lead of 7 or 8 you kick, so it's a two score game.
Since 1+7=8 you just start over for higher scores.
So, really, the only reason for the TD is because you're 100% certain they can't come back AND don't care how stupid you make them look. Believe me, anyone with much bridge experience knows EXACTLY how to play the percentages, and kicking the FG there is the football equivalent of "8 ever, 9 never" (which is actually a statistically bad rule, but, again, another rant. )
Meh, it doesn't sound like we'll agree here, so I'll just agree with Keith Brooking and you with Lou Holtz (something tells me that galls me less than it does you. ) Of course, Holtzs comments are from an arena infamous for 1) tainted and disputed Championships, 2) teams running up the score and 3) those same teams getting the crap kicked out of them when they play someone good. Live by piling on, die by piling on. I lost my taste for it the year the Oilers put 40+ points on Cincinatti a few weeks after they did it to us (Sam Wyche, who once shouted at "unsporting" Bengals fans that, "you don't live in Cleveland, you live in Cincinatti!" did not, and cheerfully beat us 61-7 the following year. ) I don't believe in kicking a man when he's down, anywhere or time. The only exceptions are the Eagles and 'Niners, teams so consistently classless they deserve it. If it had been Green Bay or Pitt instead of Dallas I'd still think it was wrong.
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For the Record, I Think Terry Was Right, not Jimmy.
18/01/2010 12:52:27 AM
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There is no running up the score in pro sports.
18/01/2010 01:24:24 AM
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Sure there is.
18/01/2010 01:59:16 AM
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I find it difficult to feel bad for a team of millionaires...
18/01/2010 01:52:57 AM
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It's less that I feel bad for the Cowboys (and more their fans) than I'm disappointed in the Vikes
18/01/2010 02:56:11 AM
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Wade Phillips should be thanking his lucky stars that the Redskins were so bad this year....
18/01/2010 04:57:32 AM
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It was stupid but they have the right to score if they want
18/01/2010 02:24:39 AM
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Less time than I remembered, underscoring the point.
18/01/2010 02:32:00 AM
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Naw I hope the Saints kick the snot out of them
18/01/2010 03:54:55 AM
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Favre got his ass kicking in '97; I just wish I had it on tape.
18/01/2010 04:38:54 AM
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two reasons you are wrong
18/01/2010 06:02:40 AM
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So it's OK to humiliate a good team, just not a horrible one?
18/01/2010 06:34:24 AM
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eh?
18/01/2010 07:11:25 AM
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The Catch didn't make up 32 points, and The Comeback took more than the two minute warning.
18/01/2010 08:12:54 AM
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um, not to put words in your mouth, but....
18/01/2010 03:48:55 PM
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If you think they're still in it, ice it with the FG; if you don't, kneel down and go home.
18/01/2010 05:48:19 PM
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Again, this is professional level playoff football
18/01/2010 07:42:18 PM
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Seems I also misremembered the final, FWIW.
19/01/2010 12:17:43 AM
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Hey, if a team can run up the score against you, you shouldn't be in the playoffs.
18/01/2010 01:32:30 PM
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great argument to bad it is based more on your emtions then reality
18/01/2010 02:09:13 PM
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pot meet kettle... *NM*
18/01/2010 04:05:47 PM
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hello kettle
18/01/2010 04:19:49 PM
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the problem being that you're criticizing someone for being emotional while doing the same
18/01/2010 04:42:09 PM
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speaking of sandy vaginas
18/01/2010 05:43:04 PM
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that was so incomprehensible i'm not sure how to respond....
18/01/2010 11:19:38 PM
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To be fair, some, though not all, of Dallas' critics take unconcealed glee in their misfortunes.
19/01/2010 12:49:35 AM
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I have no problem with the critisim
20/01/2010 06:56:38 PM
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When I'm criticizing Romo I'm really criticizing Jerry.
20/01/2010 11:51:50 PM
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For all of the boot Wade talk most people forget he is one of winning coaches in NFL
21/01/2010 05:10:50 AM
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His playoff record is wretched though, so every time he loses a playoff game someone will mention it
21/01/2010 02:10:58 PM
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You must think Barry Switzer is one the greatest coaches of all time then he is 5 of 7 post season
21/01/2010 04:28:29 PM
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Barry wasn't an NFL head coach, he was a placeholding yes man.
22/01/2010 06:56:43 AM
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No sorry either a coach is responsible for his teams record or he isn't
22/01/2010 04:39:09 PM
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I was saying stop winning because I call people out for stupid hate post
20/01/2010 02:38:46 PM
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Re: great argument to bad it is based more on your emtions then reality
18/01/2010 04:43:23 PM
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Re: great argument to bad it is based more on your emtions then reality
18/01/2010 06:57:47 PM
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They were within their rights, just as the Saints would be to do it to them.
18/01/2010 05:57:01 PM
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Re: They were within their rights, just as the Saints would be to do it to them.
18/01/2010 06:56:15 PM
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Re: Hey, if a team can run up the score against you, you shouldn't be in the playoffs.
18/01/2010 06:50:06 PM
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Re: Hey, if a team can run up the score against you, you shouldn't be in the playoffs.
18/01/2010 07:00:18 PM
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I had no problem with it.
19/01/2010 05:32:19 PM
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Seems it's just me, Brooking and Bradshaw on this one.
20/01/2010 09:28:03 AM
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What should happen...
20/01/2010 05:24:45 PM
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Wasn't Childress trying to bench Favre to protect him at the end fo the season...?
21/01/2010 02:20:30 AM
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Your glass are a little rose colored when you look at the Landry years
21/01/2010 03:16:48 PM
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Schramm marketed the hell out of them, yes, but Landry and the players made it credible.
22/01/2010 04:55:01 AM
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I think you confuse the press with the team
20/01/2010 02:55:53 PM
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It's not about "Can" or "Having the Right" or whether or not the Cowboys "should" stop them...
20/01/2010 04:43:36 PM
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"Character is who you are in the dark. "
20/01/2010 11:13:28 PM
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