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Re: That's utter nonsense. everynametaken Send a noteboard - 18/01/2010 07:13:54 AM
Many of the devout religious view any "civil" marriage, i.e. a union that was not sanctified by a church, as illegitimate, but that's their religious preference and not something they get to legislate via the government. So? That's a normal & commonly accepted practice. Same-sex marriage is both pointless and groundless. It has no history of long use or genuine place in society. It is a special privilege invented for the benefit of the few, and attempts to legally ratify it are attempts to force every one to conform to their view. It is no different than attempting to govern according to the Bible.

1) It has no history because homosexuality has historically been forbidden and/or persecuted by governments (usually "high-minded" religious politicians). Thus, your argument on that point falls apart because the world (or in this case the nation) is in a unique position to finally extend the right of recognized union to homosexuals for the first time.

2) It would not be pointless if you are of the persuasion that certain tax benefits are gained through marriage for the sake of having children. I do not know whether you support this theory or not, but for those who do argue this direction then gay marriage would provide the same benefits given that the gay couple adopt. My own response to such people who argue against gay marriage by using this '"incentive to procreate" argument is that if the theory were true then such benefits should be taken from heterosexual couples who don't have children in a reasonable amount of time (naturally or by many of the same methods gays could use). If you do not subscribe to the "incentive" theory then ignore this.

3) "...attempts to force every one to conform to their view". You know this describes every law, right?
But wine was the great assassin of both tradition and propriety...
-Brandon Sanderson, The Way of Kings
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I may have lost a friend over same sex marriage - 17/01/2010 08:03:26 AM 1373 Views
the problem with your friend is the "southern evangelical christian" part - 17/01/2010 09:07:02 AM 681 Views
They believe gay marriage is ongoing unrepentant sin. - 17/01/2010 12:04:58 PM 691 Views
God your a moron. - 17/01/2010 09:10:17 PM 634 Views
be nice - 18/01/2010 06:26:58 AM 545 Views
<shrug> They can believe that all that they like - 18/01/2010 08:07:28 PM 599 Views
And live accordingly. Just like everyone else. - 18/01/2010 11:10:51 PM 606 Views
Re: And live accordingly. Just like everyone else. - 20/01/2010 10:40:36 PM 559 Views
It is, I believe, hardest for the intelligent educated man. - 21/01/2010 10:29:39 AM 689 Views
You can't use logic in an irrational argument. - 17/01/2010 10:12:11 AM 584 Views
LOL... *NM* - 18/01/2010 05:21:14 AM 327 Views
You and Adam are being equally unconstructive. - 18/01/2010 06:21:45 AM 512 Views
why do you imply "constructive" is in anyway the intent? *NM* - 18/01/2010 06:32:27 AM 248 Views
*shrug* I never stopped believing in lost causes? - 18/01/2010 07:36:04 AM 501 Views
Re: You can't use logic in an irrational argument. - 18/01/2010 06:28:41 AM 637 Views
Always welcome. - 18/01/2010 07:31:27 AM 734 Views
We finally converted you - 17/01/2010 08:43:25 PM 520 Views
Not much of a friend then. Good ridance to bad friends. *NM* - 17/01/2010 08:51:02 PM 397 Views
I agree. A friend who can't respect differences of opinion is no friend at all. *NM* - 17/01/2010 09:11:33 PM 257 Views
seriously. *NM* - 17/01/2010 10:46:17 PM 217 Views
Only because such sentiment is my pet peeve...condemning exclusivity is hypocritical. *NM* - 19/01/2010 12:37:37 AM 287 Views
yeah no kidding - 18/01/2010 06:30:45 AM 510 Views
It forces other people to accept THEIR ideology that same sex unions are legitimate. - 18/01/2010 01:49:20 AM 674 Views
I would assume, then, that you don't support any government-mandated health care? - 18/01/2010 02:07:40 AM 511 Views
Correct - 18/01/2010 04:29:04 AM 593 Views
Although I disagree with the vast majority of your arguments, - 18/01/2010 08:50:09 AM 587 Views
Thank you. - 20/01/2010 01:47:34 AM 735 Views
Please tell me you have a source for that quotation. Other than me. - 21/01/2010 12:31:27 PM 596 Views
It's GK Chesterton! What the hell are you going on about? - 27/01/2010 02:41:00 AM 478 Views
Link? - 27/01/2010 09:28:22 AM 566 Views
I can't find a link to the exact quote - 27/01/2010 12:14:19 PM 681 Views
Re: Link? - 27/01/2010 01:38:36 PM 700 Views
Perhaps we should define our terms more precisely. - 15/02/2010 11:28:09 AM 1063 Views
we do not exist in a free market. - 18/01/2010 04:09:37 AM 515 Views
And that's bad. Since when has the correct response to oppression been "accept further oppression"? *NM* - 18/01/2010 04:30:44 AM 265 Views
I am simply pointing out your arguments do not apply to the present economic environment. - 18/01/2010 04:46:04 AM 469 Views
No I am not. - 19/01/2010 10:44:31 PM 594 Views
That's utter nonsense. - 18/01/2010 04:19:57 AM 551 Views
Re: That's utter nonsense. - 18/01/2010 04:41:27 AM 567 Views
civil marriages DO have a purpose. - 18/01/2010 04:49:12 AM 549 Views
Re: civil marriages DO have a purpose. - 19/01/2010 10:47:18 PM 605 Views
Re: That's utter nonsense. - 18/01/2010 07:13:54 AM 550 Views
Re: That's utter nonsense. - 19/01/2010 10:59:45 PM 522 Views
Re: That's utter nonsense. - 18/01/2010 07:15:50 AM 629 Views
Re: That's utter nonsense. - 20/01/2010 01:38:37 AM 434 Views
Are you at all surprised? - 18/01/2010 07:59:30 AM 542 Views
A truly free country means I don't have the freedom to shoot you - 18/01/2010 05:57:44 AM 626 Views
You really said nothing, right there. - 18/01/2010 08:34:33 AM 583 Views
I presume you are equally against the current set up - 18/01/2010 12:31:33 PM 623 Views
He said as much in his response to me above. *NM* - 18/01/2010 09:37:49 PM 212 Views
That's such an amusing argument - 18/01/2010 08:17:15 PM 510 Views
I'm against people with pasta based nicknames on fantasy forums *NM* - 19/01/2010 03:03:31 PM 223 Views
cannoli is a pastry *NM* - 19/01/2010 07:25:04 PM 203 Views
I have no problem with people with pastry based names, just pasta - 21/01/2010 12:28:44 AM 465 Views
I can't help but find it funny - 18/01/2010 12:51:57 PM 483 Views
So... - 18/01/2010 03:39:33 PM 612 Views
I think you missed who was the one to walk out - 18/01/2010 04:11:05 PM 506 Views
you acept your friends with their warts or you don't - 18/01/2010 06:45:13 PM 619 Views
I think you missed who was the one to walk out *NM* - 18/01/2010 08:01:25 PM 194 Views
I don't think it was that clear - 18/01/2010 10:01:32 PM 531 Views
I don't think it is all that clear yet, either - 18/01/2010 10:27:54 PM 574 Views
I wasn't taking sides - 18/01/2010 10:57:39 PM 447 Views

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