Many of the devout religious view any "civil" marriage, i.e. a union that was not sanctified by a church, as illegitimate, but that's their religious preference and not something they get to legislate via the government. So? That's a normal & commonly accepted practice. Same-sex marriage is both pointless and groundless. It has no history of long use or genuine place in society. It is a special privilege invented for the benefit of the few, and attempts to legally ratify it are attempts to force every one to conform to their view. It is no different than attempting to govern according to the Bible.
1) It has no history because homosexuality has historically been forbidden and/or persecuted by governments (usually "high-minded" religious politicians). Thus, your argument on that point falls apart because the world (or in this case the nation) is in a unique position to finally extend the right of recognized union to homosexuals for the first time.
2) It would not be pointless if you are of the persuasion that certain tax benefits are gained through marriage for the sake of having children. I do not know whether you support this theory or not, but for those who do argue this direction then gay marriage would provide the same benefits given that the gay couple adopt. My own response to such people who argue against gay marriage by using this '"incentive to procreate" argument is that if the theory were true then such benefits should be taken from heterosexual couples who don't have children in a reasonable amount of time (naturally or by many of the same methods gays could use). If you do not subscribe to the "incentive" theory then ignore this.
3) "...attempts to force every one to conform to their view". You know this describes every law, right?
1) It has no history because homosexuality has historically been forbidden and/or persecuted by governments (usually "high-minded" religious politicians). Thus, your argument on that point falls apart because the world (or in this case the nation) is in a unique position to finally extend the right of recognized union to homosexuals for the first time.
2) It would not be pointless if you are of the persuasion that certain tax benefits are gained through marriage for the sake of having children. I do not know whether you support this theory or not, but for those who do argue this direction then gay marriage would provide the same benefits given that the gay couple adopt. My own response to such people who argue against gay marriage by using this '"incentive to procreate" argument is that if the theory were true then such benefits should be taken from heterosexual couples who don't have children in a reasonable amount of time (naturally or by many of the same methods gays could use). If you do not subscribe to the "incentive" theory then ignore this.
3) "...attempts to force every one to conform to their view". You know this describes every law, right?
But wine was the great assassin of both tradition and propriety...
-Brandon Sanderson, The Way of Kings
-Brandon Sanderson, The Way of Kings
I may have lost a friend over same sex marriage
- 17/01/2010 08:03:26 AM
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the problem with your friend is the "southern evangelical christian" part
- 17/01/2010 09:07:02 AM
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They believe gay marriage is ongoing unrepentant sin.
- 17/01/2010 12:04:58 PM
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God your a moron.
- 17/01/2010 09:10:17 PM
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That was remarkably unconstructive.
- 18/01/2010 12:13:45 AM
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youll have to excuse Adam, he is a Heathen, its not his fault
*NM*
- 18/01/2010 06:26:34 AM
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*NM*
- 18/01/2010 06:26:34 AM
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Ad hominems w/o substance are never excusable, especially in one who knows beter: They're forfeits.
- 18/01/2010 06:39:33 AM
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<shrug> They can believe that all that they like
- 18/01/2010 08:07:28 PM
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And live accordingly. Just like everyone else.
- 18/01/2010 11:10:51 PM
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You can't use logic in an irrational argument.
- 17/01/2010 10:12:11 AM
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LOL... *NM*
- 18/01/2010 05:21:14 AM
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You and Adam are being equally unconstructive.
- 18/01/2010 06:21:45 AM
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First, I'm nothing at all like Adam.
- 18/01/2010 06:33:54 AM
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I was similarly unclear what prompted the comments, but I only needed you to elaborate a little.
- 18/01/2010 07:37:43 AM
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Not much of a friend then. Good ridance to bad friends. *NM*
- 17/01/2010 08:51:02 PM
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I agree. A friend who can't respect differences of opinion is no friend at all. *NM*
- 17/01/2010 09:11:33 PM
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seriously. *NM*
- 17/01/2010 10:46:17 PM
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Only because such sentiment is my pet peeve...condemning exclusivity is hypocritical. *NM*
- 19/01/2010 12:37:37 AM
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It forces other people to accept THEIR ideology that same sex unions are legitimate.
- 18/01/2010 01:49:20 AM
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I would assume, then, that you don't support any government-mandated health care?
- 18/01/2010 02:07:40 AM
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Correct
- 18/01/2010 04:29:04 AM
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Although I disagree with the vast majority of your arguments,
- 18/01/2010 08:50:09 AM
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Thank you.
- 20/01/2010 01:47:34 AM
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Please tell me you have a source for that quotation. Other than me.
- 21/01/2010 12:31:27 PM
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It's GK Chesterton! What the hell are you going on about?
- 27/01/2010 02:41:00 AM
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we do not exist in a free market.
- 18/01/2010 04:09:37 AM
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And that's bad. Since when has the correct response to oppression been "accept further oppression"? *NM*
- 18/01/2010 04:30:44 AM
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I am simply pointing out your arguments do not apply to the present economic environment.
- 18/01/2010 04:46:04 AM
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That's utter nonsense.
- 18/01/2010 04:19:57 AM
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Re: That's utter nonsense.
- 18/01/2010 04:41:27 AM
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Re: That's utter nonsense.
- 18/01/2010 07:13:54 AM
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Re: That's utter nonsense.
- 18/01/2010 07:15:50 AM
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Your ideas intrigue me and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
- 18/01/2010 07:49:27 AM
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- 18/01/2010 07:49:27 AM
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I really dont like the idea of a black person marrying a white person
- 18/01/2010 06:36:26 AM
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That's such an amusing argument
- 18/01/2010 08:17:15 PM
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And you're fairly appalling in either pretending to misunderstand free markets or in your stupidity
- 27/01/2010 03:00:21 AM
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I'm against people with pasta based nicknames on fantasy forums *NM*
- 19/01/2010 03:03:31 PM
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cannoli is a pastry
*NM*
- 19/01/2010 07:25:04 PM
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*NM*
- 19/01/2010 07:25:04 PM
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I have no problem with people with pastry based names, just pasta
- 21/01/2010 12:28:44 AM
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you acept your friends with their warts or you don't
- 18/01/2010 06:45:13 PM
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I think you missed who was the one to walk out *NM*
- 18/01/2010 08:01:25 PM
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I don't think it was that clear
- 18/01/2010 10:01:32 PM
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